{"id":64303,"date":"2016-08-09T05:51:47","date_gmt":"2016-08-09T10:51:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/?p=64303"},"modified":"2016-08-08T23:13:14","modified_gmt":"2016-08-09T04:13:14","slug":"rules-of-engagement-rjs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2016\/08\/09\/rules-of-engagement-rjs\/","title":{"rendered":"Rules of Engagement (RJS)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/40\/2016\/08\/IMG_3792.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-64315\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-64315\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/40\/2016\/08\/IMG_3792-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3792\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\"><\/a>How can we hold a reasonable conversation on a controversial issue?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">There are many issues on which reasonable, dedicated, and devout Christians disagree. The form and intent of the Lord\u2019s Supper (communion or Eucharist), the appropriate age for baptism, the mode of baptism, appropriate roles for women in the church, politics, economics, the age of the earth, evolution, and much more. In some cases there may be clear \u201cbetter\u201d answers, in other cases the biblical evidence is entirely ambiguous.\u00a0 Some questions are probably better ignored than engaged (in most cases I\u2019d put politics in a category that churches are better off ignoring),but others should be engaged. I am particularly concerned with the last two \u2013 the manner in which the church can engage in a profitable discussion of the issues at the interface of modern science and the Christian faith. These are questions that shouldn\u2019t be ignored, at least not in a church where the questions are active in the community \u2013 as in the University community where we worship.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I suggest the following <strong><em>rules of engagement<\/em><\/strong> for discussion of origins.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">The question of origins is one on which reasonable, devout Christians disagree.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">All Christians agree that God is creator, but there are genuine disagreements over young earth, old earth progressive creation, and old earth evolutionary creation. To put names to some general positions, Ken Ham, Hugh Ross, and Francis Collins are all genuine devout Christians. It is not appropriate to impugn the motives or devotion of fellow Christians even while arguing for the truth of a different view on the question of origins.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">It is seldom helpful to describe Christian thought on origins in terms of discrete positions. There are a continuum of views held by Christians (and non-Christians) when it comes to origins. We need to appreciated the continuum and the uncertainty.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"2\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=Ad+hominem&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ad hominem<\/a><\/em> arguments are to be avoided at all costs.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Arguments emphasizing persons and personalities simply drag the argument into the mud and give Christians everywhere a dirty name.\u00a0 It is never appropriate to accuse a Christian scientist arguing for an old earth and\/or evolutionary creation of bowing to the pressure of colleagues in order to get ahead Nor is it appropriate to accuse a biblical scholar of bowing to the pressure of either liberal colleagues or conservative colleagues, donors, or pastors. Respect the intellectual integrity of others and argue the issues.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"3\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">Guilt by association and slippery slope arguments are inappropriate.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">We can only make progress if we discuss the issues and do not allow the conversation to deviate in unproductive directions. Personally, I think that \u201cslippery slope\u201d arguments add wax to the floor and jack up one end \u2026 without options or the ability to discuss complex issues the floor <em>becomes<\/em> slippery\u00a0 and sloped.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"4\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">Avoid ridicule.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">This should go without saying, but I remember returning from graduate school to my home church one Sunday to a movie (one emphasizing apologetic and defense of the faith) encouraging the faithful to resist the the scientists portrayed as white coated buffoons doing weird things in a lab. This didn\u2019t help my faith any and would have been disaster for a technically trained unbeliever.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Of course it goes the other way as well. It doesn\u2019t help at all when a scientist (especially a Christian scientist) ridicules fellow Christians for their beliefs.\u00a0 Focus on the ideas and the issues.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"5\">\n<li>Don\u2019t assume your neighbor holds the same position you hold.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">The mob mentality of many groups and presentations \u2013 with \u201cus\u201d versus \u201cthem\u201d and inspirational propaganda \u2013 hinders both evangelism of non-Christians and deeper growth for many Christians with real questions.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"6\">\n<li>Discussions are better than lectures.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">There are some powerful presentations that can open up the possibility for significant questions. It isn\u2019t necessary to avoid lectures altogether \u2013 but always leave time for questions and discussion.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"7\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">Work to understand the other person\u2019s point of view.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Until you can explain the other\u2019s position in terms they would agreement you cannot truly engage with the issues.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"8\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">Start with Scripture, but avoid \u201cproof-texting.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Biblical authority requires us read Scripture carefully (and often) and to dig into the intent and meaning of the text. Genre, historical context, and authorial intent must all be considered. It isn\u2019t a matter of conforming the text to \u201cmodern science\u201d but of being faithful to the intended message of the text. Respecting the authority of Scripture also requires us to consider all of the text in context. Proof-texting is one of the great weaknesses of evangelicalism.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Differences in interpretation do not necessarily mean a lower or higher view of Scripture.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"9\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">Distinguish between scientific categories and biblical-theological categories.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">The point here is that Christians should look to the questions that the author was attempting to address in the text. The questions are often not the questions that we bring to the text \u2026 and thus the answers taken from the text are some ricochet off from the intended meaning. The author of Genesis was not addressing issues of modern science. The point of the text is theological. Thus we shouldn\u2019t expect modern science in the text.\u00a0 As John Walton has argued \u201c<em>Genesis is written for us but it isn\u2019t written to us<\/em>\u201d and \u201c<em>in the Bible there is no scientific revelation<\/em>.\u201d<\/p>\n<ol start=\"10\">\n<li>Take the science seriously.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Science isn\u2019t a deeply flawed and agenda driven pursuit. There is a general openness to question and correction.\u00a0 Of course, it is important that we learn to distinguish scientific theories, laws, and data from metaphysical conclusions.\u00a0 Often scientists, being human, will mix the science with metaphysical and philosophical beliefs.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">Science is a study of God\u2019s creation. Belief in God as creator means that we should have respect for the information contained in God\u2019s creation.<\/p>\n<ol start=\"11\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">Don\u2019t forget worship.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">The discussion needs to start with the who (God) and the why of the text \u2013 the theological agenda of the author. In his essay in <em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Reading-Genesis-1-2-Evangelical-Conversation\/dp\/1598568884\/\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;linkCode=ll1&amp;tag=musionscieand-20&amp;linkId=4dc6a3df07bc651087d1d3f9c5b74e56\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Reading Genesis 1-2<\/a><\/strong><\/em>, Kenneth Turner notes that Gen 1 \u201c<em>is a doxological narrative,\u201d which reads with a certain cadence (even in English) that attracts the reader and invites reverence and wonder.<\/em>\u201d This is also true of the other passages that invoke God as Creator, in the Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Isaiah. The Old Testament passages challenge the ancient Near Eastern view of many gods confined to creation, gods with human foibles engaged in divine struggles and often in sexual conquest. The Bible presents God as an awesome and transcendent creator.\u00a0 This should evoke an attitude of worship.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\">It can help a great deal when a discussion of these sticky issues includes a time of prayer and worship alongside conversation, even when in disagreement.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em><strong>\u00a0What would you add to this list?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">If you wish to contact me directly, you may do so at rjs4mail[at]att.net<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">If interested you can subscribe to a full text feed of my posts at <a href=\"http:\/\/musingsonscience.wordpress.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Musings on Science and Theology<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How can we hold a reasonable conversation on a controversial issue? 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