{"id":6688,"date":"2010-02-21T12:21:16","date_gmt":"2010-02-21T17:21:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/21\/the-creed\/"},"modified":"2010-02-21T12:21:16","modified_gmt":"2010-02-21T17:21:16","slug":"the-creed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/21\/the-creed\/","title":{"rendered":"The Creed"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Occasionally students or others will say \u201cI don\u2019t believe in the Creed.\u201d My response, usually accompanied by a startle, is this: \u201cWhich line or lines in the Creed don\u2019t you believe.\u201d I\u2019ve not yet had but one or two students say they actually disagreed with any lines in the Creed, and it is a simple fact that our \u201corthodoxy\u201d is defined by The Creed, and this sometimes means The Apostles\u2019 Creed or The Nicene Creed or The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. (By the way, the third title is the single-most difficult word to say in theology.) I believe in The Creed and by it we define orthodoxy. Heresy, then, is denial of The Creed.<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><b>What do you think of reciting the Creed publicly? Do you think affirming the Creed is appropriate? How often should we recite the Creed? Do you think denial of the Creed is what constitutes heresy? Or denial of any line in the Creed?<\/b>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>It is a downright pity that low church evangelicals ceased reciting the Creed in public. I\u2019ll be lecturing on this at the Wheaton conference on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wheaton.edu\/Theology\/WCECS\/Gatherings.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><b>Evangelicals and the Early Church<\/b><\/a>. But the reason I bring up the creeds is not because of that conference, but because of a brand new set from IVP about which I am more than a little enthusiastic.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>A full sketch of what the early fathers thought about The Creed, and there are elegantly produced in an easy-to-read format in five volumes. This is a set that belongs in every pastor\u2019s library (no kidding) and in every church\u2019s library (no kidding either). I list the volumes here:<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830825312?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830825312\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">We Believe in One God (Ancient Christian Doctrine)<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830825312\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\">\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<div><em><br><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><strong><\/strong><\/em><br>\n<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830825320?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830825320\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">We Believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (Ancient Christian Doctrine)<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830825320\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\">\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><br><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><strong><\/strong><\/em><br>\n<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830825339?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830825339\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">We Believe in the Crucified and Risen Lord (Ancient Christian Doctrine)<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830825339\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\">\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><br><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><strong><\/strong><\/em><br>\n<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830825347?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830825347\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">We Believe in the Holy Spirit (Ancient Christian Doctrine)<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830825347\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\">\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><br><\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><strong><\/strong><\/em><br>\n<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830825355?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830825355\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">We Believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (Ancient Christian Doctrine)<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830825355\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><br>\n<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Occasionally students or others will say \u201cI don\u2019t believe in the Creed.\u201d My response, usually accompanied by a startle, is this: \u201cWhich line or lines in the Creed don\u2019t you believe.\u201d I\u2019ve not yet had but one or two students say they actually disagreed with any lines in the Creed, and it is a simple [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":197,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1337],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6688","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-orthodox"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The Creed<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Occasionally students or others will say &quot;I don&#039;t believe in the Creed.&quot; 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