{"id":6698,"date":"2010-02-23T06:02:53","date_gmt":"2010-02-23T11:02:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/23\/of-fleas-and-faith-rjs\/"},"modified":"2012-05-06T06:13:04","modified_gmt":"2012-05-06T11:13:04","slug":"of-fleas-and-faith-rjs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/23\/of-fleas-and-faith-rjs\/","title":{"rendered":"Of Fleas and Faith (RJS)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px;\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/imgs\/Augustine%20ds.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"443\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">There were two interesting posts last week \u2013 on two very different kinds of blogs. The first on Jerry Coyne\u2019s blog \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com\/2010\/02\/15\/monday-fleas\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Why Evolution is True<\/a>,\u201d where he scratches a flea, and the second, a response, on the BioLogos blog \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/response-from-one-of-jerry-coynes-fleas\/#comments\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Science and the Sacred<\/a>,\u201d where the flea responds.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">A brief excerpt from Coyne \u2013 in reference to <a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/scripture-evolution-and-the-problem-of-science-pt-2\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a post<\/a> by Kent Sparks on accommodation in scripture:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Once again we see that modern theology is the art of turning empiricalnecessities into spiritual virtues.\u00a0 Except for a few dissenters like Augustine and Calvin, the bulk of Christian theology up to the rise of science in the sixteenth century involved seeing the Bible literally\u2013in its entirety.\u00a0 Six-day creation, Noah, Adam and Eve\u2013the whole <em>megillah<\/em>. That held for cosmology, biology, and evolution.\u00a0 It was only when reason and empirical studies began to show phenomena in conflict with scripture that theologians began to realize that the Bible was not wholly inerrant.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">and later:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Theology moves ahead not under its own steam, but by pressure from behind by science and reason. And the \u201cprogress\u201d it achieves is not some clearer understanding of a spiritual reality, but simply a new kind of doublethink that purports to reconcile the natural with the supernatural.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Enns and Falk <a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/response-from-one-of-jerry-coynes-fleas\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">respond<\/a> to Coyne pointing out that Christian thinking has always had a level of nuance and dialog. They conclude their response:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The message of Scripture reflects the cultures in which it is written, yet we also believe it transcends those cultures. There is a delicate balance but our best thinkers have always understood this. At BioLogos we, and the many others like us, are  simply responding  to new knowledge in the way that the Judeo-Christian tradition has long been known to do.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I have some thoughts on Coyne\u2019s post and the response \u2013 but first I\u2019d like to open a discussion here. Read the two posts and offer your thoughts.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em><strong>To what extent is Christian theology a final word, a \u201cdone deal,\u201d and to what extent is it a living word \u2013 revised, reformed, restated in the wrestling and context of each succeeding generation?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">If you would like to contact me, you may do so at rjs4mail[at]att.net<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There were two interesting posts last week \u2013 on two very different kinds of blogs. The first on Jerry Coyne\u2019s blog \u201cWhy Evolution is True,\u201d where he scratches a flea, and the second, a response, on the BioLogos blog \u201cScience and the Sacred,\u201d where the flea responds. 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