{"id":72299,"date":"2018-02-23T04:40:18","date_gmt":"2018-02-23T10:40:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/?p=72299"},"modified":"2018-02-22T10:42:09","modified_gmt":"2018-02-22T16:42:09","slug":"just-couple-guys-talking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2018\/02\/23\/just-couple-guys-talking\/","title":{"rendered":"Just A Couple Guys Talking&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/40\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-22-at-6.10.56-PM.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-70844\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/40\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-22-at-6.10.56-PM-300x214.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"214\"><\/a>By Mike Glenn<\/p>\n<p>Bishop Joseph Walker III is the pastor of Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Nashville, Tennessee. The African American mega-church is one of the largest in Tennessee, with a membership of over 30,000 people. He is also the Presiding Bishop of the Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship International. The denomination has over 5,000 churches across America. Needless to say, Bishop Walker is a very busy man.<\/p>\n<p>Bishop Walker is also a friend of mine.<\/p>\n<p>Our friendship started over a cup of coffee. I called him because I wanted to talk to him about his social media presence. I\u2019m always looking for individuals who are doing things I want to do but who are doing them a lot better than I am. Bishop Walker is doing social media better than I am. In fact, he\u2019s doing it better than most people I know.<\/p>\n<p>Have you seen Bishop Walker on social media? He\u2019s a social media ninja! The man is amazing. He\u2019s on something somewhere all of the time. So, we talked about platforms and philosophies. We talked about our families and the joys and challenges of being pastors in Nashville.<\/p>\n<p>Somewhere in the conversation, we became friends. Soon after that, we became brothers. Because we\u2019re brothers, we talk about everything. He likes the Cavaliers, and I like the Warriors. He\u2019s a big fan of the NFL, and I love college football. We talk about being fathers and husbands. We talk about working out.<\/p>\n<p>And we talk about race.<\/p>\n<p>He\u2019s African American. I\u2019m white.<\/p>\n<p>We have a lot to talk about.<\/p>\n<p>Nashville has been spared a lot of the racial anguish found in other southern cities because of music. The rule in Nashville is \u201cif you can play, you can stay.\u201d The radio didn\u2019t care what color you were. A lot of classic country hits were played by black musicians, and no one knew. If you can find an old-timer from the Nashville music scene, they\u2019ll tell you stories about playing all night in the studio with black musicians, and then having to go to separate restaurants when they would break for dinner.<\/p>\n<p>But Nashville still has its history. Because we\u2019re brothers, I can ask Bishop questions you normally wouldn\u2019t ask another person. One day I asked him, \u201cWhat\u2019s it like being black in Nashville?\u201d and I couldn\u2019t believe his answer. I was so devastated that I had Bishop Walker come talk to our church staff. We couldn\u2019t believe the stories he told, but how could we? We\u2019re all white.<\/p>\n<p>He told us about being pulled over in certain sections of town for \u201cdriving while black.\u201d As a bishop, he has a nice car, and in certain areas of town, a black man driving a nice car only means one thing to some people\u2014trouble.<\/p>\n<p>He told us that when he\u2019s walking out of a mall and finds himself walking out with a white woman, he\u2019ll drop back and stay a certain distance from her so he won\u2019t frighten her or cause her concern.<\/p>\n<p>He told us stories about conversations he has with the students in his church about how they should act\u2014what to do and what not to do\u2014if these young adults have any dealings with police officers. Don\u2019t misunderstand me; I\u2019m not saying police are racist. I\u2019m saying the black community is afraid. Scared people never make good decisions.<\/p>\n<p>We talk about \u201cwhite privilege.\u201d \u201cOK,\u201d I ask, \u201cWhat is that?\u201d Here\u2019s Bishop\u2019s definition: white privilege is the assumption a child in a black community has the same opportunities as a child in a white community. It\u2019s the assumption that what is available to me as a white male is available to everyone. That assumption is false. The sad truth is there are children born in Middle Tennessee who don\u2019t have a chance because of what side of the street they are on.<\/p>\n<p>And that\u2019s wrong. Not only is it wrong, it\u2019s sin. Our churches cannot stand by and watch young men and women, created in the image of God, never fulfill their destinies. God will hold us accountable for such failures of stewardship.<\/p>\n<p>Because we started talking, our churches started talking. Last year, we jointly sponsored a community outreach event near Bishop Walker\u2019s church. We\u2019re scheduled to do another similar event this year as well. We\u2019re planning a joint worship service, and there\u2019s an ongoing conversation about how our two churches can continue to be engaged in ways that will open doors, break down walls, and build communities that enhance the lives of everyone.<\/p>\n<p>During the month of February, Black History Month, Bishop Walker and I are doing a live video every Monday to talk about race and how we can best respond to the needs of our communities. Honestly, it\u2019s just the two of us talking like we do when we have coffee. These conversations seem to have caught an audience.<\/p>\n<p>Our nation has become fixated on the issue of racial reconciliation. Politicians talk and experts write books about how we got here and about how slavery has been properly addressed in our nation, but after all of the speeches and books, what\u2019s changed?<\/p>\n<p>Bishop Walker and I are convinced the local churches across our nation must become leaders on the issue of race. Pastors have to start conversations with each other and local churches have to begin to work together in their own neighborhoods and communities. We have to get past who\u2019s to blame and whose fault everything is and simply have the Christ-like attitude that asks, \u201cHow can I best love my neighbor? How can I, in the name of Jesus, help my brother? What can my brother and my sister teach me about Jesus that they\u2019ve learned on their journeys?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Racial reconciliation won\u2019t happen when different laws are passed. It will happen when \u201cthey\u201d become \u201cus\u201d\u2014when the African American Bishop becomes Joseph, a man with a wife, two kids, a large church, and a killer social media platform and when Dr. Glenn becomes just \u201cMike.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When Joseph and Mike start to have a conversation about what it means to follow Christ in their worlds and when this conversation is repeated a hundred times, a thousand times, a million times, then, maybe, at long last, love will win, and we\u2019ll see some progress on the issue of race in America.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not na\u00efve. I don\u2019t expect our conversations to change the world. I will say, however, that I know Mt. Zion has changed. I know Brentwood Baptist Church has changed. I know Bishop Walker has changed. I\u2019ve changed. That may not be much, but it\u2019s a start.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Mike Glenn Bishop Joseph Walker III is the pastor of Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Nashville, Tennessee. The African American mega-church is one of the largest in Tennessee, with a membership of over 30,000 people. He is also the Presiding Bishop of the Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship International. 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