{"id":137,"date":"2012-03-13T18:56:00","date_gmt":"2012-03-13T18:56:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/johnbeckett\/2012\/03\/pagan-temples-and-the-20\/"},"modified":"2012-03-13T18:56:00","modified_gmt":"2012-03-13T18:56:00","slug":"pagan-temples-and-the-20","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/johnbeckett\/2012\/03\/pagan-temples-and-the-20.html","title":{"rendered":"Pagan Temples and the 20%"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Star Foster at Patheos is thinking about temples again.  Last September she <a href=\"http:\/\/johnfranc.blogspot.com\/2011\/09\/temples.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">talked about the Temple of Artemis<\/a> and asked \u201cAre temples an investment in our devotion?\u201d  My answer was that while buildings aren\u2019t a necessity, they are tangible statements about the values and priorities of those who build them. Most importantly, temples are a concrete expression of multi-generational thinking.  That\u2019s something that\u2019s mostly lacking in contemporary Western religions, from New Agers chasing the next peak experience to Evangelicals who build massive structures around the personality of their pastor.  <\/p>\n<table cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"float: right;margin-left: 1em;text-align: right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center\"><i><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-AUucBvclyOI\/T1_dwDopttI\/AAAAAAAAA5Y\/qp55wtmAxfY\/s1600\/4682301_2915_Midway_Interior.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"240\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-AUucBvclyOI\/T1_dwDopttI\/AAAAAAAAA5Y\/qp55wtmAxfY\/s320\/4682301_2915_Midway_Interior.jpg\" width=\"320\"><\/a><\/i><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center\"><i>now a Christian church \u2013 later a Hellenic temple?<\/i><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Yesterday, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/pantheon\/2012\/03\/pagan-temples-dreaming-really-big\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Star found a Methodist church building for sale<\/a> near her and, in her words, dreamed really big.  How easy would it be to turn it into a Hellenic temple, what benefits would it bring to the community, why it would have to be run by one group and not try to be pan-Pagan, and what resources it would take to make it a reality.  <\/p>\n<p>CUUPS President David Pollard weighed in on the discussion, pointing out that in any religious, political, or charitable group, 80% of the resources typically come from 20% of the members.  If you need $100,000 a year for debt service and operating costs, you don\u2019t try to find 100 people to give $1000 a year.  You find 20 people to give $4000 a year and then count on the other 80 to give $250 a year.  The actual breakout won\u2019t be that sharply defined, but the 80\/20 rule is pretty constant.  <\/p>\n<p>Today <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/pantheon\/2012\/03\/pagan-temples-revisited\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Star followed up with another post<\/a> where she clarified her thoughts on the benefits of a tradition-specific Pagan temple, and she hit the proverbial nail on the head as to what it takes to maintain one:  <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>The kind of people who will keep such a temple going will be rooted in the local community, completely committed to the religious, ethical and cultural vision of the temple, and have a stake in seeing the temple serve multiple generations. They will have a deep desire to create a home for the Gods they honor to last beyond their own brief life.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So the most important question for us is \u201chow do we find and nurture such people?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Or perhaps, how do we become them?<\/p>\n<p>To become part of the 20% takes two things.  The first is deep commitment:  to the religion, to the religious community, and to its long-term success.  You don\u2019t get that commitment from people who find you on the internet and come to an event every six weeks.  You don\u2019t get it from people who look at their contributions as membership dues and who wonder if they\u2019re getting a good deal for their money.  You don\u2019t get it from people who are happy to write checks as long as things are done the way they want them done.  Don\u2019t misunderstand \u2013 even in liberal democratic altruistic organizations, money buys influence.  But it can\u2019t be allowed to buy control.  The good of the organization must always trump the desires of any one or two or five members.  <\/p>\n<p>You do get that commitment from people who have a strong connection to the religion:  to its gods and goddesses, to its history and heritage, to its beliefs and practices, and to its vision for the future.  You get it from people with a strong connection to the community \u2013 their co-religionists are their closest friends and chosen family.  You get it from people who want that community to be there for them when they\u2019re old and for their grandchildren when they\u2019re gone and who are willing to do whatever it takes to make that happen. <\/p>\n<p>To become part of the 20% also takes financial resources \u2013 you can\u2019t give what you don\u2019t have.  There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, students don\u2019t have any money.  Young couples with children are the \u201ctarget market\u201d for most churches, but that\u2019s because children represent the future.  Young couples tend to spend all their money on acquiring stuff (houses, furniture, etc) and on their kids.  In most churches, the bulk of the money comes from adults in their prime earning years (age 35 to 54), from elders who accumulated wealth and want to see some of it put to use while they\u2019re still alive, and from trusts and bequests from deceased members.  <\/p>\n<table cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"float: right;margin-left: 1em;text-align: right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-QOwYbkRvVSg\/T1_a5rvAeAI\/AAAAAAAAA5Q\/Q2F83NN49LE\/s1600\/800px-BAPS_Shri_Swaminarayan_Mandir_Atlanta_082209_4.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"212\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-QOwYbkRvVSg\/T1_a5rvAeAI\/AAAAAAAAA5Q\/Q2F83NN49LE\/s320\/800px-BAPS_Shri_Swaminarayan_Mandir_Atlanta_082209_4.JPG\" width=\"320\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center\"><i>Hindu Temple in Lilburn, Georgia.\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:BAPS_Shri_Swaminarayan_Mandir_Atlanta_082209_4.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Photo by Qwiddler<\/a><\/i><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>In the discussion on Patheos, both Star and Cara Schulz brought up Hindus, who have built numerous temples in the United States, despite being roughly comparable in numbers to Pagans.  While not every Indian-American is a doctor, IT wizard or store owner (or for that matter, even a Hindu), those stereotypes exist for a reason.  So do the stereotypes about Pagans who don\u2019t have two nickels to rub together.  <\/p>\n<p>While I would hate to see Paganism become a religion that equates wealth with worth, I really wish we had a more mature relationship with money and with what it takes to earn money.<\/p>\n<p>The number of financially successful people who care for the Earth, who see God as female as well as male, and who feel a call to the beliefs and practices of our ancestors is growing.  Yes, they\u2019re a minority, but we don\u2019t need to win a general election \u2013 we just need to attract a few of them.  Do we welcome them when they come to our circles?  Do we present a professional image in our organization and in our rituals?  Can we show them a vision for the future?  Or do we joke about the abomination that is Pagan Standard Time?<\/p>\n<p>Attracting financially successful people to Pagan religion is one side of this coin.  The other side is for more of us who are already Pagan to make ourselves financially successful.  Maybe your True Calling isn\u2019t to renounce the mainstream world and become an itinerant mystic.  Maybe your True Calling is to become a doctor or lawyer or engineer or start a mundane business, make a bunch of money and become a founding donor for a temple or grove or shrine.  <\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s nothing wrong with renouncing the mainstream world.  But there\u2019s also nothing wrong with earning a nice living providing a needed service.  The Pagan community needs both.<\/p>\n<p>There is honor in every offering given in the spirit of sacrifice, whether it is large or small.  But in order to build temples, more Pagans have to make more large offerings.<\/p>\n<table align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;text-align: center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-8jwoCtuCzVU\/TEUWgbLfU2I\/AAAAAAAAAfo\/6sxdIs8tEDc\/s1600\/z+Parthenon.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-8jwoCtuCzVU\/TEUWgbLfU2I\/AAAAAAAAAfo\/6sxdIs8tEDc\/s400\/z+Parthenon.jpg\" width=\"400\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center\"><i>The Parthenon in Nashville.\u00a0 Not officially a temple, but while we\u2019re thinking big\u2026<\/i><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Star Foster at Patheos is thinking about temples again. 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