{"id":333,"date":"2010-11-20T19:18:00","date_gmt":"2010-11-20T19:18:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/johnbeckett\/2010\/11\/proselytizing-and-apologetics\/"},"modified":"2010-11-20T19:18:00","modified_gmt":"2010-11-20T19:18:00","slug":"proselytizing-and-apologetics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/johnbeckett\/2010\/11\/proselytizing-and-apologetics.html","title":{"rendered":"Proselytizing and Apologetics"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_cpRXT6ZSHTw\/StuCOB_oPII\/AAAAAAAAAUQ\/sD6_EpjcLCE\/s1600\/adopt+a+spot+1+10.18.09.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_cpRXT6ZSHTw\/StuCOB_oPII\/AAAAAAAAAUQ\/sD6_EpjcLCE\/s400\/adopt+a+spot+1+10.18.09.jpg\" width=\"346\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;text-align: center'><i><span style=\"font-size: x-small\">promoting Paganism through public service<\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I mainly listen to <a href=\"http:\/\/therearepagansintexas.wordpress.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Shhh! There are Pagans in Texas!!<\/a> for their coverage of Pagan events in North Texas.  But in their most recent episode, they replied to a listener who had asked their opinion on responding to Christian apologetics and on whether or not Pagans should proselytize.  <\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I encourage you to listen to their comments yourself, but essentially both Renny and Rose say that we should not attempt to convert others to Paganism, and that their preferred response to someone attempting to convert them to Christianity is to simply thank them for their concern and politely walk away.  They say we should let our actions speak for us (through our community, charity, and environmental work) and only present our faith when someone explicitly asks.<\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I think that\u2019s a good answer.  And I\u2019m in complete agreement about not proselytizing.  As a universalist, I find proselytizing unnecessary.  As a UU, I find it arrogant and rude.  As a Pagan, I\u2019m reminded that our gods and goddesses call who they choose to call.  If a deity tells me to give you a message I\u2019ll deliver it (and I have), but I\u2019ve seen nothing in either ancient lore or modern experience to indicate that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pantheon.org\/articles\/c\/cernunnos.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Cernunnos<\/a> is the least bit interested in trying to convert the whole world to his worship.<\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Instead of proselytizing, what we should be doing is <i>promoting<\/i> Paganism.  I agree with <a href=\"http:\/\/johnfranc.blogspot.com\/search\/label\/John%20Michael%20Greer\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Michael Greer<\/a> that contemporary <a href=\"http:\/\/johnfranc.blogspot.com\/2009\/08\/our-own-indigenous-religion.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Paganism is the indigenous religion of modern Anglo-American industrial society<\/a>.  It arose and is growing because too many of us are cut off from our ancestors, from the natural world and from the Divine Feminine.  Paganism isn\u2019t the only answer to those problems, but it is a very good answer.  We have no need to go door to door \u201csaving souls,\u201d but with our books, websites, blogs, podcasts, and especially with our public presence, we let people know we\u2019re here and that there is an alternative to both orthodox religion on one side and to atheism and secularism on the other.<\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I\u2019ve bitten my tongue too many times to criticize someone who declines to engage a proselytizer, particularly an aggressive one.  And someone who is engaging in aggressive apologetics is unlikely to have a sudden change of opinion because of your ingenious or witty responses.  The classic liberal mistake (for both religious liberals and political liberals) is to think that if we could just get people to see the facts then they\u2019d agree with us.  They won\u2019t, not because they\u2019re stupid or arrogant or blind, but because they have different foundational beliefs and different life experiences.  <\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>So <a href=\"http:\/\/johnfranc.blogspot.com\/2010\/08\/lessons-from-fundamentalist.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">attempting to rebut Christian apologists is a waste of time<\/a>.  At the same time, we need to be able to give a rational explanation of our beliefs and practices.  And someone who offers an unsolicited religious opinion to me has just obligated him or herself to listen to my religious opinion.<\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>It need not be an elaborate opinion.  I tend to stick with a basic three-fold explanation of Paganism:  a view of the Divine as both female and male, a connection to Nature and its rhythms and cycles, and a resonance with our ancestors and their beliefs and practices.  It\u2019s enough to let someone whose only exposure to Paganism, Witchcraft, and Druidry comes from Hollywood know that there\u2019s something real here.  It won\u2019t change their beliefs, but it may change their opinion of Pagans, and in some cases it may make true interfaith dialogue and cooperation possible.  <\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I generally won\u2019t debate Christianity.  If people start spouting \u201cyoung Earth\u201d creationism I\u2019ll lay out the basic scientific facts.  If they quote the Bible I\u2019ll let them know I believe it was written by and for a particular group of people in a particular place and time and that it carries no more weight with me than any other religious or ethnic group\u2019s ancient writings.  And if they push, I\u2019ll let them know that any god that would condemn any \u2013 much less most \u2013 of his children to eternal torment for following the \u201cwrong\u201d religion is unworthy of worship.  Arguments about what a particular passage of scripture \u201creally\u201d means is pointless and puts the debate on their terms.  That Jesus said nothing about homosexuality is interesting, but what is really important to me are all my gay friends whose lives are as healthy, productive, and <i>good<\/i> as my straight friends.<\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>So while proselytizing is not something we should do, I encourage everyone to promote your faith to the extent you feel safe.  Be prepared to offer a reasonable explanation to those who ask and to those who open the door to religious dialogue \u2013 even if they expect that dialogue to be one-sided.<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>promoting Paganism through public service I mainly listen to Shhh! There are Pagans in Texas!! for their coverage of Pagan events in North Texas. 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