{"id":2576,"date":"2015-09-17T05:43:46","date_gmt":"2015-09-17T11:43:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/justandsinner\/?p=2576"},"modified":"2015-09-17T07:01:10","modified_gmt":"2015-09-17T13:01:10","slug":"what-should-the-christian-do-with-wicked-desires-and-thoughts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/justandsinner\/what-should-the-christian-do-with-wicked-desires-and-thoughts\/","title":{"rendered":"What Should the Christian Do With Wicked Desires and Thoughts?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_2311\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2311\" style=\"width: 225px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2013\/04\/figure3.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-2311\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2013\/04\/figure3.png?w=225\" alt=\"The renovation God effects in us makes a difference in the world as well. See the paper with this diagram here. \" width=\"225\" height=\"300\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-2311\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The renovation God effects in us<strong>\u2026<\/strong> See the paper with this diagram <a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.wordpress.com\/2014\/11\/11\/the-two-natures-of-the-christian\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NathanRinne\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Post by Nathan Rinne<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>On my heart imprint your image,<br>\nBlessed Jesus, king of grace,<br>\nThat life\u2019s riches, cares, and pleasures<br>\nNever may your work erase;<br>\nLet the clear inscription be:<br>\nJesus, crucified for me,<br>\nIs my life, my hope\u2019s foundation,<br>\nAnd my glory and salvation!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2013<\/strong> Johann B. Konig<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes there are Christians who wonder whether or not they are really Christians. They are beset by doubt because when they look at their actions, they cry out, a la the Apostle Paul in Romans, chapter 7:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cI do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do\u2026.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here is where Lutherans in particular have always been keen to highlight what Paul says at end of chapter 7 and beginning of chapter 8:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cWho will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus\u2026.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_5348\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5348\" style=\"width: 220px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/paulson_steve.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5348\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/paulson_steve.jpg?w=220\" alt=\"Apparently not-so-Lutheran Lutheran theologian Paulson\u2019s view: Bondage to sin is not a result of the Fall, but simply part of being human (Eric Phillips, here) \" width=\"220\" height=\"300\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5348\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Apparently not-so-Lutheran Lutheran theologian Paulson\u2019s view: Bondage to sin is not a result of the Fall, but simply part of being human (Eric Phillips, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tdaviddemarest.com\/2015\/09\/15\/no-friend-of-confessional-lutherans-steven-paulsons-heresies\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This, we assert, is Paul talking about his struggle as a believer in Christ, not him in a pre-conversion state. It is Paul \u2013 prior to showing us (in chaper 8) that \u201cthere is potential for doing the law in the new creature\u201d, albeit never perfectly until the life to come (contra more liberal Lutheran theologians like Steve Paulson \u2013 see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tdaviddemarest.com\/2015\/09\/15\/no-friend-of-confessional-lutherans-steven-paulsons-heresies\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>) \u2013 showing us the very real struggle all Christians experience and will continue to experience this side of the grave.<\/p>\n<p>This is the comforting answer we can give to persons troubled by wicked things they see themselves doing \u2013 and are rightfully troubled by.<\/p>\n<p>But are Christians also to be as troubled by their wicked desires and thoughts?<a href=\"#_edn1\" name=\"_ednref1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[i]<\/a> They are, as the rest of Romans 7 likewise indicates. Otherwise, Christ would have not spoken as harshly as he did in Matthew 5, for example, about our internal states. Such preaching \u2013 \u201canyone who is angry with a brother or sister\u2026 will be in danger of the fire of hell ; \u2026anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart\u2026. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out\u2026 ; love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you\u2026 \u2013 should rightly terrify us and send us not from but to God, who we also learn, is gracious towards His own enemies.<\/p>\n<p>And knowing the love of God in Christ, the process of doing good for the right reasons and motivations can begin. As the Apostle John says regarding the power of God\u2019s love: \u201cThere is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love\u2026.\u201d (I John 4)<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4504\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4504\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2014\/11\/stpaul.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-4504\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2014\/11\/stpaul.jpg?w=300\" alt=\"Paul in Rom. 7: \u201cFor I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.\u201d\" width=\"300\" height=\"221\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4504\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Paul in Rom. 7: \u201cFor I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.\u201d<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Again, the Apostle Paul, this time in Galatians chapter 5, helps us to understand what is going on here<a href=\"#_edn2\" name=\"_ednref2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[ii]<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cYou, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But <strong>do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather,<\/strong> <strong>serve one another humbly in love.<\/strong> For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: \u201cLove your neighbor as yourself.\u201d If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.<\/p>\n<p>So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For <strong>the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.<\/strong> They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.<a href=\"#_edn3\" name=\"_ednref3\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[iii]<\/a> But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.<\/p>\n<p>The <strong>acts of the flesh<\/strong> are obvious: sexual immorality, <strong>impurity<\/strong> and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; <strong>hatred<\/strong>, discord, <strong>jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition<\/strong>, dissensions, factions and <strong>envy<\/strong>; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.<\/p>\n<p>But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. <strong>Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.\u201d <\/strong>(<strong>bold mine<\/strong>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_5347\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5347\" style=\"width: 197px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/billionwickedthoughts.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5347\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/billionwickedthoughts.jpg?w=197\" alt=\"...but nothing to worry about?\" width=\"197\" height=\"300\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5347\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">\u2026but nothing to worry about?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>As we can see, there really is a sense in which we are not fully perfect in love (our active sanctification) \u2013 in spite of having known and received that perfect, saving love in Jesus Christ! (our justification and passive sanctification). We deal with the matter of our flesh\u2026 our old Adam\u2026. our \u201csinful nature\u201d \u2013 even though God\u2019s Spirit does good in us in spite of our being aware of it, we also keep \u201cin step with the Spirit\u201d, continuing to consciously and actively struggle vs. our evil desires (see Rom. 8: 5, 13). Knowing who we are in Christ \u2013 and with time in God\u2019s word, prayer, and other disciplines (perhaps private confession and absolution with a pastor), etc. \u2013 these sins of weakness can be countered.<\/p>\n<p>Or is this really the way that it is? After all, our salvation is truly won in Christ after all! After all, it is true that \u201ceverything we need we already have\u201d\u2026. Are not things like wicked desires and thoughts unavoidable and something we should not really worry about too much? Isn\u2019t the point of Jesus\u2019 words quoted above simply to show us that we need him and nothing more?<\/p>\n<p>Some might wonder what I am talking about here, so let me explain why some might think this way. Perhaps, one thinks, all of that talk about fighting evil desire and thought is being overly scrupulous and too focused on one\u2019s self! After all, how does this kind of think help me decrease and Christ increase? How is that focused on one\u2019s neighbor \u2013 which Christ wants us to do \u2013 at all? Perhaps the most that we can say is that God\u2019s law is there much in the way that good roads and traffic laws are there: to make sure that we don\u2019t hurt our bodies! Or perhaps we should just say that the Christian disciplines his \u201coutward person\u201d, or flesh, so that the sinful desires that still dwell within <em>just don\u2019t express themselves as outward works<\/em>\u2026 Either way, one might reason, our evil thoughts hurt no one except ourselves! Sure they also need God\u2019s forgiveness, but we should not fret too much over them. There is a danger, one might think, that we are proudly trying to gain too much control, earn our salvation before God, even be our own god\u2026.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_5349\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5349\" style=\"width: 253px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/peter.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5349\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/peter.jpg?w=253\" alt=\"\u201cAs free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.\u201d I Peter 2:16\" width=\"253\" height=\"300\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5349\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">\u201cAs free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.\u201d I Peter 2:16<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I hope it makes sense now why some Christians might think this way.\u00a0 In which case, what might follow from such thinking?<\/p>\n<p>Truly, one might rationalize (justify), if a person finds one\u2019s self fearful to even \u201ccommit\u201d one wicked thought \u2013 because they are concerned about God\u2019s wrath \u2013 are they even acting like a Christian? Worse \u2013 do they perhaps just not \u201cget\u201d I John 4 at all? Even if such a person regrets being motivated by fear \u2013 and even if they insist that they know they are not saved by their works but by grace though faith \u2013 could you (should you?) even give such a person assurance they are a Christian? <em>Perhaps they have never even begun to understand the grace of God\u2026.<\/em><em>!<\/em> <em>Perhaps they still need more law.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>But is this just what Satan wants us to think? Is this not, perhaps, again putting such a person under Luther\u2019s \u201cmonster of uncertainty?\u201d (\u201cmaybe I am just a \u2018legalist\u2019 who has never \u2018got it\u2019 and still can\u2019t\u2026.\u201d) Is this perhaps one of the devil\u2019s most clever and insidious efforts to get the camel\u2019s nose in the tent? Is it possible that in striving for holiness of thought, as well as word and deed, we are <em>not<\/em> scorning the white robe of Christ\u2019s righteousness (and, inevitably, because we are always primarily sinners, actually putting on the dirty robe of our self-justifying flesh)?<\/p>\n<p>Consider the following:<\/p>\n<p>First, sin is lawlessness \u2013 whether it happens in the mind, with the mouth, or with the hand. In every case, sin directly dishonors our Creator and hurts us (and our neighbors indirectly). So while Jesus\u2019 words surely do break us in their severity, are we really comfortable thinking that there is no sense that he wants us to take serious practical steps to decrease such desires and thoughts \u2013 that we may be able to pray, as the 17<sup>th<\/sup> c. Christian John Gerhard did, \u201cSins were sweeter to me than honey and honeycomb. That they are now pungent and bitter, I owe to You who gave me spiritual taste\u2026\u201d?<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_5350\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5350\" style=\"width: 202px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/kc3b6berle.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5350\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/kc3b6berle.jpg?w=202\" alt='K\u00f6berle: \"...unrestrained roving thoughts never remain confined to the hidden chambers of the soul, but they crowd out into the open and display themselves in words and actions, that enslave, burden and shape the future of their author...\"' width=\"202\" height=\"300\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5350\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">K\u00f6berle: \u201c\u2026unrestrained roving thoughts never remain confined to the hidden chambers of the soul, but they crowd out into the open and display themselves in words and actions, that enslave, burden and shape the future of their author\u2026\u201d<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Second, we know that our internal states can and do affect the world around us \u2013 at the very least because of the prayers the Spirit prays in us as He groans (see Rom. 8). How can we be sure that our evil desires and thoughts do not have power that we do not understand? If we can know \u2013 somehow! \u2013 that we are being watched, who is to say that our internal states can have no discernible effect on our surrounding environment \u2013 beyond, but even in, the present moment? Is it not rationalism to assert otherwise?<\/p>\n<p>Third, even if this previous point seems a stretch for us, at the very least the Apostle Paul makes it clear in I Corinthians chapter 7 that some of our choices are more beneficial than others\u2026 If this is the case with two \u201cgood choices\u201d (one better than the other), how much more so for the choice to fight sinful desire and thought! Yes, God can forgive all of our sins, but we also, by our Spirit-led choices, will form our long-term character: we either take steps that make us increasingly better or worse at becoming true servants of our neighbor.<\/p>\n<p>Finally (and these are just the points I have come up with here \u2013 add more in the comments), as a pastor friend of mine puts it \u201cdisciplining the self can be self-absorbed if done with the wrong intentions (e.g., meriting one\u2019s salvation), but it can also be focused on God and neighbor (to serve them better).\u201d Luther often makes this point in his writings, particularly the <em>Freedom of the Christian<\/em>. Therefore, what might look like \u201cspiritual self-preservation\u201d (like the eye-gouging mentioned by Jesus) is never really an end in itself.<\/p>\n<p>In Romans chapter 12, Paul gently appeals to <em>Christians<\/em>, \u201cby the mercies of God\u201d (please read chapters 1-11 if you are not really sure what that means!), to \u201cbe transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.\u201d<a href=\"#_edn4\" name=\"_ednref4\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[iv]<\/a> He then goes on, of course, to give Christians guidance regarding what their wonderful new life in Christ is to look like (a life which is not about living in glory, but humbly, under the cross).<\/p>\n<p>And if you feel condemned by that thought, I understand\u2026. for<strong> I think the devil and his lies have made things very hard for many of us.<\/strong> We have been both victims and victimizers. I offer you this, from the bottom of my heart:<\/p>\n<p>However many of God\u2019s commandments we may have broken, however much we may have chosen paths that were not those He would have preferred, however many regrets we might have\u2026 those are to be left behind, as we go forward in both His pardon and power, which always avails for us in the blood! And let\u2019s especially continue to lift up the true body and blood of Jesus for us here \u2013 in the Lord\u2019s Supper \u2013 since that is what many, strangely, since the beginning of the Reformation have been keen to deny.\u00a0 But I submit a greater realization of such gifts is in fact our highest need!<\/p>\n<p>Also, for more encouragement in your fight, I offer you this (and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/justandsinner\/habitual-sin-and-perpetual-pardon-power-and-progress\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">this again<\/a> as well\u2026):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2013\/02\/lutherquote.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1955\" src=\"https:\/\/infanttheology.files.wordpress.com\/2013\/02\/lutherquote.jpg?w=645\" alt=\"Tullian T. basically says that people say he doesn\u2019t believe in the third use of the law, but he does \u2013 he just doesn\u2019t want to have to qualify everything (from sermon on \u201cDiscipline, Demagogery, and Jesus\u201d, by his fellow Coral Ridge pastor Steve Brown).\" width=\"645\" height=\"239\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>+Nathan<\/p>\n<p><strong>FIN<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><em>Notes:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref1\" name=\"_edn1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[i]<\/a> In bringing up this topic, I hope it goes without saying that this author, like most anyone else I assume, would not want anyone knowing what he is thinking quite a bit of the time. I suspect the thought horrifies most all of us, some of us much more than others.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref2\" name=\"_edn2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[ii]<\/a> Luther, in his <em>Freedom of a Christian<\/em> said: \u201c<strong>The reason why seemingly contradictory statements are often made in the Bible about Christians is due to the Christians two-fold nature.\u00a0<\/strong> The simple fact is that within each Christian two natures constantly oppose each other.\u00a0 \u201cThe flesh wars against the spirit and the spirit wars against the flesh\u201d (Gal. 5:17).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref3\" name=\"_edn3\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[iii]<\/a> The translation of this verse is disputed See verse 17 in the <a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/kjv\/galatians\/5.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">KJV text<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref4\" name=\"_edn4\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">[iv]<\/a> Luther said in his antinomian disputations that the preacher should not make the law overly harsh among the justified but should change into the gentler tone of exhortation. This, it seems to me, is clearly happening in Romans 12 ff. Is not Paul addressing the Christian qua Christian (new man) here? One certainly cannot say that here he is talking to the old man here, using law (and its accusation, threats, etc) to subdue him. He is appealing to persons by the mercies of God.<\/p>\n<p>Image credits: Steven Paulson: https:\/\/www.luthersem.edu\/faculty\/fac_home.aspx?contact_id=spaulson ; Adolf K\u00f6berle \u2013 http:\/\/www.leo-bw.de\/web\/guest\/detail\/-\/Detail\/details\/PERSON\/wlbblb_personen\/118564161\/K%C3%B6berle+Adolf ; other people: Wikipedia<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Post by Nathan Rinne On my heart imprint your image, Blessed Jesus, king of grace, That life\u2019s riches, cares, and pleasures Never may your work erase; Let the clear inscription be: Jesus, crucified for me, Is my life, my hope\u2019s foundation, And my glory and salvation! \u2013 Johann B. 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