{"id":7468,"date":"2012-07-01T15:44:41","date_gmt":"2012-07-01T20:44:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/kathyschiffer\/?p=7468"},"modified":"2015-06-25T16:10:49","modified_gmt":"2015-06-25T21:10:49","slug":"medjugorje-an-alternate-perspective","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/kathyschiffer\/2012\/07\/medjugorje-an-alternate-perspective\/","title":{"rendered":"Medjugorje: An Alternate Perspective"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

\"\"<\/a>In recent days there have been many harsh words written about the alleged Marian apparitions at Medjugorje.\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

Howard Kainz<\/strong>, Marquette University professor emeritus, wrote a critical article<\/a> published June 29 in Crisis Magazine<\/em> about an invitation he received to attend five apparitions with Medjugorje visionary Marija Pavlovic Lunetti.\u00a0 The apparitions are slated to occur at the 2012 gathering at the Tabernacle of our Lady\u2019s Messages at Caritas, in Birmingham, Alabama, between July 1 and 5.<\/p>\n

Kainz reported<\/a> that<\/p>\n

\u201c\u2026the Caritas group, however, is considered schismatic by the visionaries and priests at the pilgrimage center, in a part of what used to be Yugoslavia. On the \u201cofficial\u201d Medjugorje website we are warned that Caritas of Birmingham is a cult, something like a religious business, not approved\u2026.\u00a0 But one of the visionaries, Marija, still comes regularly to Caritas in Birmingham, contributing to a local, in-house schism of an international cult that bespeaks a larger and ongoing schism with orthodox Catholicism.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Kainz goes on to call the anticipated apparitions at Caritas \u201cnot just heterodox, but heretical.\u201d\u00a0 <\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cJesus told us to judge trees by their \u2018fruits\u2019,\u201d<\/em>\u00a0 Kainz finishes. \u00a0\u201cIn Medjugorje, numerous conversions have been reported, Catholics returning to the sacraments after many years, etc. But the main fruit, and the fruit closest to the heart of the devil, has been <\/em>disobedience<\/em>.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Kainz\u2019 article has been widely linked and reprinted:\u00a0 on Deacon Greg Kandra\u2019s blog<\/a>, on Al Kresta\u2019s blog<\/a>, on New Advent and Pewsitter and more.<\/p>\n

Mark Shea<\/strong> has pulled no punches in condemning the apparitions.\u00a0 He writes<\/a>,<\/p>\n

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Medj is a fraud. Those who believe in it had been start asking themselves now whether they are going to trust the Church or this fake \u201cvision\u201d when Rome finds\u2013as it will\u2013that the local ordinaries are right to say that nothing supernatural is occurring there.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

There are, indeed, reasons to proceed with extreme caution:\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

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  1. The local ordinary, Bishop Ratko Peri\u0107, bishop of Mostar, believes the apparitions to be untrue, explaining, \u201cThe numerous absurd messages, lies, falsehoods and disobedience associated from the beginning with the events and \u201capparitions\u201d of Medjugorje, all refute every claim of authenticity.\u201d<\/em><\/li>\n
  2. In July 2009 Father Tomislav Vlasic, who played a prominent role in promoting and publicizing of the apparitions, was defrocked by Pope Benedict XVI, following accusations of sexual misconduct, and accusations of exaggeration or fabrication of the visions.<\/li>\n
  3. The apparitions which began in June 1981 have been irregular:\u00a0 The visionary Marija Lunetti (Pavlovi\u0107), one of the six visionaries who claim to see the Virgin Mary at Medjugorje, receives messages on the twenty-fifth of every month, while Mirjana Soldo (Dragi\u010devi\u0107) reports that she receives messages on the second of the month.\u00a0 Others have now received all of the \u201csecrets\u201d and so do not see the Virgin regularly.<\/li>\n
  4. Unlike many other Marian apparitions, the apparitions to Medjugorje\u2019s six visionaries do not always occur at the same location.\u00a0 So it is that Ivan Dragicevic could travel in the United States, experiencing an apparition at the appointed time but in a different chapel.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

    \n
    \"\"<\/a><\/dt>\n
    Our Lady of Peace \u2013 Medjugorje<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n

    Yet there are reasons to hope that the \u201cGospa\u201d (Croatian for \u201cThe Lady\u201d) may, indeed, be offering her blessing and her wisdom to the world, even in this age.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

    For one thing, Mary\u2019s messages, some claim, are clearly consistent with her messages at Fatima or at other \u201capproved\u201d apparitions.\u00a0 Her purpose is to call people to prayer, and to point them toward her son Jesus.<\/p>\n

    Many of the 30 million pilgrims who have traveled to Medjugorje, in the scenic mountain region of Mostar, have reported unusual visual phenomena. They claim to have seen the sun spinning in the sky or changing colors.\u00a0 Some visitors have seen figures around the sun, such as a ring of crosses.\u00a0 Some have claimed that their rosaries, brass or worn before the visit, turned to shiny gold in the blazing sun during an apparition.<\/p>\n

    The visionaries attest to the effect that the apparitions have had in their own lives.\u00a0 Said Ivan Dragicevic,<\/p>\n

    \n

    \u201cThe apparitions have made a big difference in my life \u2013 the difference between heaven and earth. For example, I arrange my day now so that even during the day I find time to pray. Before, my life had no meaning. Now, I\u2019m filled with inner contentment. The first time I saw Our Lady, a change occurred in my soul, and in my heart. Before, I often avoided prayer, but now the difference is so great, I really can\u2019t describe it. I\u2019m confident and not afraid, because I know who leads me, and therefore, I\u2019m not afraid of death. People in our parish, and all people, should feel that way.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

    CONFUSED?\u00a0 The answer is coming.<\/strong>\u00a0 The Holy See, after receiving many reports, both positive and negative, announced in March 2010 that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had convened an investigative commission<\/strong> to study the phenomenon.\u00a0 Under the leadership of Cardinal Camillo Ruini, this body of bishops, theologians, and other experts is expected to report any findings to the CDF, which will then judge whether the apparitions are worthy of belief.<\/p>\n

    *\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 *\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 *\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 *\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 *<\/strong><\/p>\n

    AND ME?\u00a0 I thought I would pop in here and offer some observations of my own,<\/strong> based on my very limited personal experience.\u00a0 I was in attendance at two alleged apparitions about a decade ago\u2014not in Bosnia-Herzegovina, but right here in the U.S., in New Orleans.<\/p>\n

    BUT FIRST, I thought I would remind you that it doesn\u2019t really matter what I think.<\/strong>\u00a0 Eventually, after long and careful investigation, the Catholic Church will rule on whether this particular spiritual phenomena is \u201cworthy of belief.\u201d When that happens, I will follow the clear teaching of the Church.<\/p>\n

    AND SECOND, I thought I would remind you that even if the Church approves the apparitions <\/strong>(which Mark Shea deems an impossibility), you are under no obligation to believe them<\/strong> or to follow them or to read about them or to change your behavior or your devotional life because of them.\u00ad The Catechism of the Catholic Church<\/em><\/strong> (section 67) explain it thus:<\/p>\n

    That\u2019s because the Church teaches that the \u201cdeposit of faith\u201d\u2014the full teaching as relayed by Christ through His Apostles, has been remitted 2,000 years ago, and will not change.\u00a0 Nothing can be added or subtracted.\u00a0 Our understanding of Truth may deepen with a new experience; or it may be expressed in a different way through the words of a contemporary theologian.\u00a0 <\/em><\/p>\n

    Throughout the ages, there have been so-called \u201cprivate\u201d revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ\u2019s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.<\/em><\/p>\n

    Christian faith cannot accept \u201crevelations\u201d that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such \u201crevelations.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    \u00a0<\/strong>I was planning a conference in New Orleans, and was doing a site visit in the \u201cBig Easy\u201d when I received a most unique invitation:<\/p>\n

    \"\"<\/a>
    Medjugorje visionary Ivan Dragicevic<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

    MY ENCOUNTER<\/p>\n

    Would I like to attend a Mass with Ivan Dragicevic, one of the Medjugorje visionaries?\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

    I was happy to accept; in fact, since my visit to the city (and Ivan\u2019s) continued, I was privileged to be present for not just one, but two apparitions.\u00a0 This is my report.<\/p>\n

    On the first evening, Ivan sat in the front pew of the packed church,<\/strong> the guest of honor for a private organization\u2019s dinner.\u00a0 He did not speak; but after Mass, a prie-dieu was brought forth and placed before the altar.\u00a0 Ivan came forward and knelt at the prie-dieu.<\/p>\n

    For a few minutes, nothing happened. \u00a0We sang a few hymns, said a few prayers.\u00a0 Then, Ivan\u2019s countenance changed.\u00a0 He looked ahead, upward, enthusiastically.\u00a0 For perhaps ten minutes, as the congregation knelt in silence, Ivan listened and whispered to the unseen visitor.<\/p>\n

    When it was over, Ivan crossed himself, then walked over to a microphone where he recounted the Virgin\u2019s message for all to hear.\u00a0 She had asked for a recommitment to prayer and fasting, talked about her Son\u2019s love for His people.\u00a0 She spoke kindly, warmly, like a doting mother encouraging her children.\u00a0 It was too long ago, and I can no longer repeat entire sentences; but I was drawn at the time back to my childhood, back to a dog-eared book I\u2019d owned (and read often) on \u201cOur Lady of Fatima\u201d\u2014a monthly feature from the Catholic Youth Book Club. \u00a0It was as though I was hearing those messages which I\u2019d read so often, now voiced by Ivan.<\/p>\n

    The following day, I was again invited<\/strong> to attend the apparition.\u00a0 This time, the group was much smaller and we had Mass in a small chapel adjacent to the parish church.\u00a0 We\u2014perhaps 30 men, women and children\u2014sat crowded in a circle in the small worship space, pushed together onto benches, chairs, steps.\u00a0 Some were only a few feet from the altar where Mass was celebrated.<\/p>\n

    After Mass, again Ivan came forward.\u00a0 Again we waited in silence and prayer\u2014this time for a little longer, almost fifteen minutes.\u00a0 And then she came.<\/p>\n

    Ivan\u2019s countenance softened, and he began praying, talking, especially listening.\u00a0 The room was hushed as we gazed upon Ivan, and Ivan gazed upon the woman.<\/p>\n

    Again, when it was over, Ivan stood and repeated the Gospa\u2019s message.\u00a0 This time, he said, she had been accompanied by the Archangel Michael. As Ivan pointed to where the armed angel had stood, I saw only furniture, a wall, even a person in the space.\u00a0 Clearly, St. Michael was not troubled by the narrow quarters.<\/p>\n

    As before, the message was full of love\u2014no, LOVE, all in capitals, love outreaching and\u00a0 overflowing and covering us all.\u00a0 And it was full of joy.\u00a0 And hope.\u00a0 And encouragement.\u00a0 And most of all, the LOVE.<\/p>\n

    MY REFLECTION?<\/strong>\u00a0 The master apologist C.S. Lewis, in his radio talk, presents what has been called the \u201cTrilemma\u201d:\u00a0 the trifurcate phrase \u201cLiar, Lunatic, or Lord.\u201d\u00a0 Lewis calls on his listeners (or readers) to make a decision about Christ:\u00a0 Which of these was He?\u00a0 Lewis\u2019 argument is that Jesus claimed to be God; and if Jesus made such a preposterous claim, then one of three things was true:<\/p>\n

      \n
    1. Jesus was a Liar\u2014lying about His identity (which is morally reprehensible); or<\/li>\n
    2. Jesus was deluded into believing that He was God, which would make him a raving madman (whom nobody would respect as a teacher). If that were the case, He couldn\u2019t have been a great moral teacher.\u00a0 Or,<\/li>\n
    3. Jesus is what He says He is:\u00a0 Jesus is Lord.\u00a0 This is the only satisfying answer.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

      I found myself asking the same question that day, listening to Ivan.\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

      I was convinced beyond measure that Ivan was not a liar.\u00a0 He did not have the flim-flam smoothness of a magician; rather, he was low-key and direct.\u00a0 He may have been wrong, I reasoned; but I watched, I sensed, and I could not believe he was lying.\u00a0 No, Ivan truly believed the story he was telling us, believed it more than I believed the sky was blue.\u00a0 He was not a liar.<\/strong><\/p>\n

      A second part of that \u201cliar\u201d question concerns financial impropriety.\u00a0 I believe that Ivan did not benefit financially from his claim.\u00a0 He supported his family, to be sure; but the largesse of the faith community gathered there was directed toward building a church, a shrine, a medical clinic at Medjugorje, and not toward Ivan himself.<\/p>\n

      Ivan was not a madman.<\/strong>\u00a0 I watched as he blessed a small child, as he touched the shoulder of an older woman.\u00a0 He\u2019d never met them, yet he LOVED them with the love of Christ.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had that feeling, of being in the presence of a saint, a truly holy person, before in my lifetime\u2014but not often.\u00a0 He shook our hands, each of us, and although we just met, he loved me and he made me love him.<\/p>\n

      The last question doesn\u2019t exactly apply.\u00a0 Ivan is not Lord, nor does he claim to be.\u00a0 What he claimed, though\u2014that by some unimagined grace, he\u2019d been chosen to bear a message from the heavenly realm\u2014seemed the only logical answer to the searing question we all asked.<\/p>\n

      Do I believe in Medjugorje?<\/strong>\u00a0 I await Rome\u2019s ruling; but I stand much closer to the \u201cYes\u201d pole in the continuum than Howard Kainz, closer than Mark Shea, because of the things I saw and heard that week in New Orleans.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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