{"id":2040,"date":"2018-10-12T01:10:40","date_gmt":"2018-10-12T01:10:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/keithgiles\/?p=2040"},"modified":"2018-10-12T01:10:40","modified_gmt":"2018-10-12T01:10:40","slug":"no_jesus_was_not_separated_father","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/keithgiles\/2018\/10\/no_jesus_was_not_separated_father\/","title":{"rendered":"No, Jesus Was Not Separated From The Father On The Cross"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2049\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/833\/2018\/10\/cross-502944_640.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">On the cross, Jesus cried out, \u201cMy God, my God! Why have you forsaken me?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">From this single sentence, many bible teachers and pastors have theorized that it was in this moment that the Father looked away from Jesus \u2013 because of all of our sins being laid upon Jesus \u2013 and it was in this moment that Jesus experienced separation from the Father for the only time in all of eternity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">As dramatic and poetically compelling that might be, the truth is simply this: The Bible nowhere supports this theory.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">So, where does it come from?<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Well, apparently the teaching that the Father actually did forsake Jesus on the cross, and that Jesus experienced separation from the Father comes from a few assumptions:<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">First, the assumption that God is too holy to look upon sin.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Second, the assumption that Jesus\u2019 cry from the cross at that moment was meant to communicate that His Father did actually forsake him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Let\u2019s take these two assumptions one at a time and see if they are true.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Is God really too holy to look upon sin? Not according to the scriptures.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Instead, we see all throughout the Bible that God does indeed look at mankind. We see that God\u2019s eyes move to and fro over all the earth, searching the hearts and minds of His people. [See 2 Chron.16:9; Job 31:4; Jerem. 16:17; Zech. 4:10; etc.]\n<\/p><p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em>\u201cAnd<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.\u201d \u2013 [Heb. 4:13]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Q: What would happen if God wasn\u2019t able to look at sin?<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">A: It would mean that looking at us would be pointless because all He could ever see was a world full of sinful people [which is everyone].<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">The doctrine that God is too holy to look upon sin is actually based on one single verse of scripture in the Old Testament that says:<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em>\u201c<span class=\"x_text\">Your eyes are too pure<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">to look on evil;<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">you cannot tolerate wrongdoing.<\/span>\u201d \u00a0[Habbukuk 1:13]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">But if you keep reading that chapter what you\u2019ll notice is that Habbukuk wraps up that statement by asking: \u201cSo, why do you?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">In other words, the question is asked assumptively, but then the question itself is cast into doubt as the prophet observes that God does indeed look on evil after all.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Another verse that is often used to support this idea that God is too holy to look upon our sins is found in Isaiah where we read:<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em><span class=\"x_text\">\u201cBut your iniquities have separated<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">you from your God;<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">your sins have hidden his face from you,<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">so that he will not hear.<\/span>\u201d [Isaiah 59:2]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">But if we keep reading [a good idea as you can see], we read:<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em><span class=\"x_text\">\u201cThe<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_small-caps\">Lord<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">looked and was displeased<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">that there was no justice.<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">He saw that there was no one,<\/span><\/em><br>\n<em><span class=\"x_text\">he was appalled that there was no one to intervene;<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">so his own arm achieved salvation<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">for him,<\/span><\/em><br>\n<em><span class=\"x_text\">and his own righteousness<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">sustained him.\u201d [v.16]<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em><span class=\"x_text\">\u201c<\/span>As for me, this is my covenant<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0with them,\u201d says the\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_small-caps\">Lord<\/span>. \u201cMy Spirit,who is on you, will not depart from you\u2026\u201d [v.21]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">So, here, in the very same chapter, we read that God DOES look, and that He DOES see our sins, and that \u201c[His] Spirit\u2026will not depart\u2026\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">Finally, let\u2019s look at Jesus. He was the \u201cexact representation of the Father\u201d and he was the only one who had ever seen God and who came to reveal the Father to us.<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">What do we notice about Jesus? Does He, as God in the flesh, avert his gaze when surrounded by sinners? Hardly! Instead, those sinners are his closest friends. He spends so much time with them that the religious elite [who, by the way, were too holy to spend time with sinners], criticized him for it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">So, is God really \u201ctoo holy to look on our sin\u201d?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">Absolutely not!<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">Second: When Jesus says, \u201cMy God, my God, why have you forsaken me?\u201d doesn\u2019t that mean that His Father really did forsake Him?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">No.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">This statement from Jesus was a quote from Psalm 22 which begins:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em><span class=\"x_text\">\u201cMy God, my God, why have you forsaken me?<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">Why are you so far<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">from saving me,<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">so far from my cries of anguish?<\/span>\u201d [v.1]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><span class=\"x_text\">But, this is a Messianic Psalm. In this Psalm we also read prophetic statements like:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em>\u201c\u2026they pierce<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0my hands and my feet.<\/span>\u201d [v. 16]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em>\u201c\u2026<span class=\"x_text\">They divide my clothes among them<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">and cast lots<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">for my garment.<\/span>\u201d [v.18]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Perhaps Jesus is quoting this Psalm because he hopes to point out how these exact words are being fulfilled in their midst?<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Note also what this same Psalm has to say about what God is doing:<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em><span class=\"x_text\">\u201cFor he has not despised<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">or scorned<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">the suffering of the afflicted one;<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">he has not hidden his face<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">from him<\/span><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"x_text\">but has listened to his cry for help.<\/span>\u201d [v.24]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Wait\u2026what?<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">The Psalmist says that they will pierce the hands and the feet of the Messiah, and that they will divide his clothes and cast lots for his garments\u2026and that God \u201cwill not hide His face from him\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">So\u2026once more I need to ask: \u201cDid the Father turn His face away from Jesus when He was on the cross?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">No. Not even once.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Finally, notice that Jesus affirms that His Father will never abandon Him:<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\"><em>\u201cJesus replied. \u201cA time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone.<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><b>Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.<\/b><span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>I have told you these things so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.\u201d [John 16:31-33]<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Notice that Jesus not only affirms that His Father will not leave him [even though the disciples will], but that this abandonment by the disciples and the ever-present nature of the Father occurs at the same time: While Jesus is hanging on the cross!<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">This really should not surprise us.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">God promises all through the scriptures that He will never leave us or forsake us.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">Jesus reminds us that He will be with us always, even unto the end of the age.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">[See Matthew 28:20; Hebrews 13:5; Deut. 31:6, Isaiah 41:10, etc.]\n<\/p><p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">So, to recap:<span class=\"x_apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">The Father did NOT look away from Jesus while He was on the cross.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">God is NOT too holy to look at sin. [Jesus did it all the time]\n<\/p><p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">God will NOT leave or forsake us, either.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">I hope that helps!<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">If this has blessed you, please share it with your friends on social media.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">*NOTE: Written with assistance from insights gleaned from Brian Zahnd, Brad Jersak and others.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">For more on this:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9VwP7df9BuY%26t%3D1480s&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf5f1d08548db4a5f9c9c08d62d555ea8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746242017887864&amp;sdata=VKdwH2eqhF4Sv6ED5BhhjMlqVE36iuuotnLxXrqzE%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-auth=\"VerificationFailed\" class=\" decorated-link\">Brad Jersak: A Beautiful Gospel in Chairs<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"x_MsoNormal\">**<\/p>\n<p><em>Keith Giles is a former pastor who left the pulpit 11 years ago to start a church that gives away 100% of the offering to the poor in their community.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>His\u00a0new book\u00a0\u201cJesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible\u201d,\u00a0is\u00a0available now on Amazon and features a Foreword by author Brian Zahnd.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He is also the author of the Amazon best-seller,\u00a0\u201cJesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb\u201d.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Keith also co-hosts the\u00a0Heretic Happy Hour Podcast\u00a0on iTunes and Podbean. He and his wife live in Orange, CA with their two sons.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>BONUS: Want to unlock exclusive content including blog articles, short stories, music, podcasts, videos and more? Visit my\u00a0Patreon page.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On the cross, Jesus cried out, \u201cMy God, my God! 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