{"id":3476,"date":"2019-05-10T21:28:56","date_gmt":"2019-05-10T21:28:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/keithgiles\/?p=3476"},"modified":"2019-05-10T21:28:56","modified_gmt":"2019-05-10T21:28:56","slug":"the-problem-of-suffering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/keithgiles\/2019\/05\/the-problem-of-suffering\/","title":{"rendered":"The Problem of Suffering"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-3485\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/833\/2019\/05\/war-2545307_640.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"362\"><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easily the strongest argument against belief in a loving, all-powerful God: \u201cWhy does God allow suffering?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Everyone \u2013 from the most average man-on-the-street to theologians and philosophers with lofty titles and degrees \u2013 has wrestled with the problem of evil.<\/p>\n<p>Believers and non-believers alike struggle to answer this question.<\/p>\n<p>Some Christians hold the view that God is sovereign, and that this sovereignty necessitates that God remain in absolute control of every atom in the universe \u2013 and therefore every event in history \u2013 down the very last detail. In this view, God is the ultimate micro-manager, and ergo, God is responsible for the suffering of children and the starvation of the innocent, and all other suffering we observe in our world.<\/p>\n<p>But some challenge this notion and suggest that any God who requires evil and suffering as some mysterious part of his \u201cGrand Design\u201d is actually evil.<\/p>\n<p>As theologian and author David Bentley Hart has said:<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cAny world in which the suffering of children were morally intelligible or necessary or willed by God would not be a reality worth inhabiting, and it would not involve a God worth worshipping.\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This has led some authors and theologians to not only reject this \u201cmicro-managing\u201d view of God, but to propose the notion that God is NOT in control of every detail of life. They say that because God is good, and because God is love, this means that God is also not \u201cin control\u201d of everything. Because perfect love does not coerce or control people. Love allows us to be as we are and loves us in spite of everything.<\/p>\n<p>While I do prefer this point of view to those who want to argue that suffering is part of God\u2019s great plan, I have to admit I\u2019m not entirely on board with it completely.<\/p>\n<p>I can appreciate the concept that God can\u2019t intervene in our lives because God is love and love is not coercive, on one level, because it\u2019s a better response than the alternative view (that God allows suffering for His own designs). The non-coercive view helps to bring comfort to those parents whose child was not cured of cancer, or to the husband whose wife was not spared in the car crash, but what about in those rare instances when it appears that God DOES work a miracle? What then?<\/p>\n<p>In other words, I have experienced miracles in my life first-hand. In those cases, it was certainly obvious to me that \u2013 at least sometimes \u2013 God CAN intervene miraculously. What\u2019s going on in those cases?<\/p>\n<p>For example: my Father fell off our roof and landed on his head a few years ago. X-rays revealed that three of the vertebrae in his neck were powdered and shattered. Surgery was scheduled but there was a less than 50\/50 chance that he would be paralyzed afterwards. Our Southern Baptist pastor and one of our deacons dropped by my Dad\u2019s hospital room just before he went in for a CAT scan of the spinal cord and prayed a half-hearted \u201cBaptist\u201d prayer for healing \u2013 which typically assumes that God won\u2019t heal, but let\u2019s ask anyway. The next day the doctor told my Dad that he was confused because the CAT scan showed that his neck was totally healed. No injury whatsoever.<\/p>\n<p>That was over 25 years ago. My Dad is totally fine. No surgery. No neck pain. Total healing.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s just one example.<\/p>\n<p>So, if it\u2019s true that \u201cGod can\u2019t intervene\u201d then what about situation like this where it seems that \u201cGod can\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>I honestly don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, I\u2019m more comfortable with the \u201cGod can\u2019t\u201d view than the \u201cGod allows suffering\u201d view, but neither one feels totally right to me.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s another angle on the whole suffering question.<\/p>\n<p>What are the causes of suffering in our world today? I\u2019d say a short list would be:<\/p>\n<p>*Greed<\/p>\n<p>*War<\/p>\n<p>*Poverty<\/p>\n<p>*Disease<\/p>\n<p>*Famine<\/p>\n<p>*Violence<\/p>\n<p>*Tribalism<\/p>\n<p>Much of the suffering in our world today can be traced directly to one of these things. But, we have the power to overcome and end almost all of these things right now.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s within our power to end poverty. We \u2013 as humanity \u2013 have enough food to go around. So, why don\u2019t we mobilize and make sure that hungry children get the food they need today?<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s within our power to end war. If we, as human beings, refuse to fight in wars, then no one can go to war. So, why don\u2019t we stop supporting wars?<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s within our power to get life-saving medicines to the sick, to wipe out malaria, to stop smallpox, and dozens more diseases around the world. So, why don\u2019t we?<\/p>\n<p>I guess what I\u2019m saying is: Maybe a loving God is wondering why we allow so much suffering on this planet we\u2019ve been given to share?<\/p>\n<p>At the very least, we should do everything within our power to end as much suffering as falls under our ability to alleviate before we turn around and blame God for not doing more to stop suffering.<\/p>\n<p>Especially if you don\u2019t believe in God. Because if you don\u2019t think there\u2019s any \u201cHigher Power\u201d out there to make it all better, then who else will fix this broken world?<\/p>\n<p>Maybe we are the people we\u2019ve been waiting for?<\/p>\n<p>Either way, our \u201cthoughts and prayers\u201d can only go so far.<\/p>\n<p>The rest is up to us.<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>For more of David Bentley Hart\u2019s thoughts on Evil and Suffering watch this:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"David Bentley Hart - Suffering and the problem of evil\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/2ZTuhme8mwk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p><em>Keith Giles was formerly a licensed and ordained minister who walked away from organized church 11 years ago, to start a home fellowship that gave away 100% of the offering to the poor in the community.\u00a0<\/em><em>Today, He and his wife live in Meridian, Idaho, awaiting their next adventure.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>His\u00a0new book\u00a0\u201c<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FJesus-Unbound-Liberating-Word-Bible%2Fdp%2F1938480325%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1539823337%26sr%3D8-1%26keywords%3Djesus%2Bunbound&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C242e12b047bf41599e4708d6468f7fb0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636773979464446529&amp;sdata=%2Bs5gpuoQzgFQoPK7xx998IZ5dX%2BqqrWdDcBzgJS2gVA%3D&amp;reserved=0\" data-auth=\"Verified\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible<\/strong><\/a>\u201d,\u00a0is\u00a0available now on Amazon and features a Foreword by author Brian Zahnd.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He is also the author of the Amazon best-seller,\u00a0\u201c<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FJesus-Untangled-Crucifying-Politics-Allegiance%2Fdp%2F193848021X%2Fref%3Dpd_sim_14_1%3F_encoding%3DUTF8%26pd_rd_i%3D193848021X%26pd_rd_r%3Dac14a6cf-d26e-11e8-887f-75e7a3fde4c5%26pd_rd_w%3DT4V7m%26pd_rd_wg%3DzQkQ6%26pf_rd_i%3Ddesktop-dp-sims%26pf_rd_m%3DATVPDKIKX0DER%26pf_rd_p%3D18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780%26pf_rd_r%3D7MPH4R45PHWWRG01E4VJ%26pf_rd_s%3Ddesktop-dp-sims%26pf_rd_t%3D40701%26psc%3D1%26refRID%3D7MPH4R45PHWWRG01E4VJ&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C242e12b047bf41599e4708d6468f7fb0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636773979464446529&amp;sdata=TbkB2qZu8mtymjq9cUl22QIyDeIXjngt%2F0nC%2BLvXMj8%3D&amp;reserved=0\" data-auth=\"Verified\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>Jesus\u00a0Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb<\/strong><\/a>\u201d with a Foreword by Greg Boyd.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Keith also co-hosts the\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fheretichappyhour.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C242e12b047bf41599e4708d6468f7fb0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636773979464446529&amp;sdata=j98Y2xmS3jYVc2AqQDrPiQfkEcscWx71vmmTij5xfoo%3D&amp;reserved=0\" data-auth=\"Verified\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>Heretic Happy Hour Podcast<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0on iTunes and Podbean.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>BONUS<\/em><\/strong><em>: Want to unlock exclusive content including blog articles, short stories, music, podcasts, videos and more? Visit my\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2FKeithGiles&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C242e12b047bf41599e4708d6468f7fb0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636773979464602780&amp;sdata=jbzTM8W5Pu%2BQpMD1pH4Aa5%2B6uiUsf147SgLBLDZfH70%3D&amp;reserved=0\" data-auth=\"Verified\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>Patreon page<\/strong><\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Join me this summer at one of these upcoming events:<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>*El Paso, TX \u2013 May 19 \u201c<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.eventbrite.com\/e\/united-we-stand-a-conference-to-heal-our-political-divide-tickets-59863730028\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">United We Stand\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>*Costa Mesa, CA \u2013 June 22\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.eventbrite.com\/e\/united-we-stand-a-conference-to-heal-our-political-divide-tickets-60082449223\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cUnited We Stand\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>*Hot Springs, NC \u2013 July 11-14\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/wildgoosefestival.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWild Goose Festival\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Want Keith to come speak at your church or in your home town?<\/strong>\u00a0Learn more\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.faithandpolitics.us\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">HERE<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It\u2019s easily the strongest argument against belief in a loving, all-powerful God: \u201cWhy does God allow suffering?\u201d Everyone \u2013 from the most average man-on-the-street to theologians and philosophers with lofty titles and degrees \u2013 has wrestled with the problem of evil. 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