{"id":17723,"date":"2015-11-23T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-11-23T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/leithart.level2d.com\/?p=2549"},"modified":"2015-11-23T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-11-23T00:00:00","slug":"creator-and-creature","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/leithart\/2015\/11\/creator-and-creature\/","title":{"rendered":"Creator and Creature"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\">\n<\/head><body><p>In a brief 2002 essay on \u201cCreator and Creature,\u201d reprinted in\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Theology-Revisionary-Metaphysics-Essays-Creation-ebook\/dp\/B00MNV1NKK\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1447752020&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=revisionary+metaphysics%20tag=leithartcom-20\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Theology as Revisionary Metaphysics<\/a>, Robert Jenson\u00a0admits that \u201cwe indeed need to move conceptually outside the biblical narrative as such,\u201d but he argues that common ways of conceptualizing the Creator-creature distinction are self-contradictory, incoherent, or depart from the biblical storyline. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn Scripture itself, the difference between the Creator and his creatures is not laid out conceptually at all, but rather narratively. . . . commented narration remains the <em>fundamental and the only indispensable<\/em> way of telling the difference between Creator and creature. The story tells what God does, called \u2018creating,\u2019 and creatures are what result other than God\u201d (158, emphasis added).<\/p>\n<p>  He ventures a solution, relying on the premise that \u201cIt is <em>God<\/em> . . . who distinguishes himself as Creator from all else, which just so is creature. <em>We<\/em> do not set up the Creator\/creature difference by pairing it with or spreading it out on any set of concepts. The difference between Creature and creature is one which God <em>enforces<\/em> by taking action\u201d (159).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>He gives this a curious anti-Platonic, biblical twist. If God is God, then everything else must be God only by participation, only if God is its origin and final end. But on the premises of post-Plato Platonism, everything that is seeks to melt back into God. This is not the biblical God, and that leads Jenson to this formula: \u201cGod establishes Himself as Creator and everything else as creature by actively stopping <em>this sort of return<\/em> from happening. To say that God is Creator and we are creatures is to say that God takes a certain preventive action\u201d (159).\u00a0The Creator-creature distinction is God\u2019s great own great No to Proclus and Plotinus.<\/p>\n<p>  Jenson goes on to ask what God specifically does to prevent Himself from being the sort of God that Platonism \u2013 and, Jenson says, Adam at the tree of knowledge \u2013 envisions? Here Jenson turns to the gospel, understood in Cyrillian fashion as the narrative of \u201cone who answers prayer and prays; who interprets the Torah as only its author should do and obeys it as so interpreted; who glorifies others \u2013 including his \u2018Father\u2019 \u2013 and is glorified; who heals, even healing death, and suffers death and more trivial ills; who is born of a woman and sovereignly determines who are his mother and brethren; who knows what is in all hearts and does not know the Hour or the Day\u201d (160).<\/p>\n<p>I take it that Jenson means something like the following: He does not mean (I surmise) that there is some power or impulse within creation that impels them to \u201cmelt\u201d back into God, such that God has to actively stop it from happening. Creatures have <em>no<\/em> powers or impulses other than those God gives. But God also does not simply pre-program creatures against the possibility of melting back in, since those creatures <em>are<\/em> only because He continuously commanding them to be. He does not leave them to be on their own. He keeps them in being, which means He keeps them in <em>being-unmelted<\/em>. His active prevention of melting is thus another way of talking about continuous creation. (That brings us back to the main point \u2013 that the Creator-creature distinction is narratable rather that conceptual-able.)<\/p>\n<p>It is precisely by insisting that the protagonist of the gospel is <em>one<\/em> that the Creator-creature distinction is maintained. If we open up a Nestorian gap between the God who acts and the man who suffers, we are left with the need to fill that gap with mediators, and all the apparatus of the ladder of being returns to occupy the \u201cmiddle realm.\u201d Jenson being Jenson, this line of thought cannot end without yet another prick at the <em>logos asarkos<\/em>: \u201cGod acts to block the possibility of emanation\/return by being in his second identity an actor who acts always as Creature and creature, and by just so seeing to it that there is <em>only<\/em> that one. Theology that describes such an actor, without ifs, ands, or maybes, is the theology that truly guards the difference between Creator and creature\u201d (161).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>  My aim here is not to defend Jenson\u2019s description. I do not entirely understand him, especially in his final denial of the <em>logos asarkos<\/em>. My point is methodological one: As dense as the metaphysics becomes, as sharp as his analytical dissection of the options, the driving force of this whole discussion is to formulate conceptually something that provides at least a \u201cloose fit\u201d to the biblical narrative, which remains the <em>only indispensable account<\/em> of Creator and creature.<\/p>\n<p>(<em>This is taken from a paper presented at the American Academy of Religion, November 21, 2015.<\/em>)<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a brief 2002 essay on \u201cCreator and Creature,\u201d reprinted in\u00a0Theology as Revisionary Metaphysics, Robert Jenson\u00a0admits that \u201cwe indeed need to move conceptually outside the biblical narrative as such,\u201d but he argues that common ways of conceptualizing the Creator-creature distinction are self-contradictory, incoherent, or depart from the biblical storyline. \u201cIn Scripture itself, the difference between 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