{"id":327,"date":"2003-12-11T05:30:15","date_gmt":"2003-12-11T05:30:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/leithart.level2d.com\/?p=327"},"modified":"2017-09-07T00:04:03","modified_gmt":"2017-09-06T18:04:03","slug":"pre-fall-death","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/leithart\/2003\/12\/pre-fall-death\/","title":{"rendered":"Pre-Fall Death"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\">\n<\/head><body><p><\/p><p> Some speculations on death in the original creation, inspired by Jim Jordan\u2019s lecture on Daniel 4 and by discussion with a colleague at NSA.  As usual, anytime I write about the Trinity, Jeff Meyers is also lurking in the background.  This is not all set in stone, only musings and ponderings. <\/p>\n<p> Death-resurrection patterns are so written into the fabric of creation, and seem to be part of the original creation (darkness-light-darkness, the day dying every evening).  And, I think this pattern is revealing something about the inner life of the Trinity: Each person of the Trinity \u201cgives Himself\u201d to the others, \u201cdies\u201d to Himself, in order to bring glory to the other.  At least, the greatest revelation of the glory of God (according to John especially) comes in the death of the Son and His resurrection.  That means that the cross and resurrection, given the way John emphasizes \u201cknowing the Father through the Son,\u201d must say something about the inner life of God. <\/p>\n<p> If that\u2019s right, it raises some basic questions: Is the death-resurrection pattern in the creation MERELY a result of the fall?  Does that mean the fall was necessary to manifest the whole life of God?  I don\u2019t want to say that.  Or, did the death-resurrection pattern come into being only with the fall?  Or did it apply at first only to plants and seasonal cycles?  If the latter, it seems odd that the greatest revelation of God\u2019s character would, apart from sin, have existed only in plants and seasonal cycles \u2014 was this pattern supposed to be manifest in man at all before the fall?  How? <\/p>\n<p> Another thing to consider: Just after God has said that man would die if he ate the tree, He puts Adam into deep sleep, a state that in other parts of the Bible is a near-death experience.  When Adam gets up (resurrection) from his deep sleep, there\u2019s this great new animal around, one that isn\u2019t hairy all over, one that he\u2019s finds strangely attractive.  That is, he goes near death, and then things get better.  This isn\u2019t entirely speculative, since the NT (at least as interpreted by the church fathers) says that Jesus on the cross gave birth to the church through the water and blood that came from his side, just as Adam gave birth to Eve through his rib. <\/p>\n<p> Another point: The Reformed view has usually been that Adam in the garden was in a probationary situation, and that it would not have been permanent.  Paul says that \u201cif there is a natural man, there is a spiritual man,\u201d and that means the first Adam is already set on a trajectory toward a glorified last Adam, and this apart from the issue of sin.  Thus, Adam was destined to grow from one state of glory to another, and that would mean \u201cleaving behind\u201d or \u201cdying to\u201d the previous state.  Without sin, \u201cdeath\u201d would have been transition, but not a tragedy, not awful and painful, but a glorification that would still mean losing something that one had previously, to gain something better. <\/p>\n<p> I agree that death as we know it is a curse, and that death as we know it will be finally destroyed.  But death as the liminus of a transition from one state of life to another seems to be built into creation. <\/p>\n<p> A final thought: Death is the great moment where faith is tested.  We need to trust God and entrust ourselves to Him precisely when we come to a doorway and have no idea what\u2019s on the other side.  This doorway\/death can take any number of forms: I change jobs and have no idea how the new one is going to work out; I get married when I don\u2019t REALLY know who I\u2019m marrying; my wife and I have a child when we don\u2019t know how we\u2019re going to afford it.  These transition points of life are all deaths, and all require us to trust God wholly, since we have no idea what the next moment is going to bring.  Now, had Adam never sinned, would he EVER have been faced with that moment of utter dependence?  Or, would he have lived forever in the land of Cockaigne, where the hens lay soft-boiled eggs and there\u2019s alcohol tricklin\u2019 down the rocks?  One could say that even in the midst of his abundance, Adam would have been dependent upon God\u2019s provision, and that\u2019s true.  But if the sun rises every morning, and the fruit is on the tree every harvest, and the next day is always the same as the last, would Adam have experienced the reality of utter dependence on God?  I think he would have experienced this dependence and exercised \u201cAbrahamic\u201d faith ?Efaith in a God who raises the dead.  But that means he would have to be faced with that doorway.  He already had experienced that utter dependence, as mentioned above, when he went into \u201cdeep sleep\u201d and received Eve on the other side.  Turns out there was a princess on the other side of the door.   <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some speculations on death in the original creation, inspired by Jim Jordan\u2019s lecture on Daniel 4 and by discussion with a colleague at NSA. As usual, anytime I write about the Trinity, Jeff Meyers is also lurking in the background. This is not all set in stone, only musings and ponderings. 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