{"id":6837,"date":"2011-09-19T07:16:39","date_gmt":"2011-09-19T07:16:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/leithart.level2d.com\/?p=837"},"modified":"2011-09-19T07:16:39","modified_gmt":"2011-09-19T07:16:39","slug":"i-thou","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/leithart\/2011\/09\/i-thou\/","title":{"rendered":"I-Thou"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\">\n<\/head><body><p><\/p><p> In his  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0195145984\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=leithartcom-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369&amp;creativeASIN=0195145984\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> Systematic Theology: Volume 1: The Triune God <\/a>  <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=leithartcom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0195145984&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> , Jenson ponders why Barth\u2019s Trinitarian theology so often seems to collapse into a binity: \u201cthe inner-divine community of the Father and the Son is, explicitly [in Barth], \u2018two-sided.\u2019\u201d  Since the Spirit is the fellowship itself, He is \u201d <em> not <\/em>  a partner thereof . . .  . the Spirit is not a  <em> party <\/em>  to this converse [between Father and Son].  And, indeed, it is at the heart of the \u2018I-Thou relation,\u2019 as it has been normative in Western thinking to allow no third party.\u201d <\/p>\n<p> This is a problem, as Jenson\u2019s typically deft summary of Hegel\u2019s \u201cLord and Master\u201d shows: \u201cIf you and are to to be free for one another, each of us must be both subject and object in our converse.  If I am present in our converse as myself, I am a subject who have you as my object.  But if I am not also an object for you as subject, if I in some way or degree evade reciprocal availability to you as one whom you in turn can locate and deal with, I enslave you, no matter with what otherwise good disposition I intend you.\u201d <\/p>\n<p> Jenson wants to know how we escape this dilemma, how the I-Thou doesn\u2019t collapse into an interpersonal form of Foucault\u2019s panopticon, me elusive in my tower watching you as the object of my gaze.  He doesn\u2019t think that we can escape this on purely I-Thou grounds: \u201cMost postmodern thought, carrying out Hegel\u2019s insight under the tutelage of horror, has given up such questions except as rhetorical, and supposes that in fact all personal converse is openly or hiddenly a struggle for domination\u201d \u2013 open struggle often seen as superior because more honest.  Secular postmodernism thus has an uncanny similarity to pneumatically-deprived Trinitarianism. <\/p>\n<p>  <!--more--> To break out of Hegel\u2019s dilemma, we need a third.  \u201cIf you and I are to be free for one another, someone must be our liberator.  Thus God has arranged that the mutuality of married love \u2013 the inevitably paradigm of I-Thou relatedness \u2013 shall be achieved by acts whose term is the child \u2013 a paradigm of the intrusive third party \u2013 whose free agency or suffered absence is the final bond between the couple.  Thus friendship that is too exclusive either withers or becomes destructive.  Thus a sheerly bipartite confrontation of economic or social entities is doomed to conflict.\u201d <\/p>\n<p> Further, \u201cIf I am to be your object and you mind, so that we may be subjects for each other, there has to be one for whom we are both objects, and whose intention for us is our love for each other.  I have no choice but to defend myself against being your object as long as you, with whom I am paired for freedom or bondage, are the other who objectifies me.  And you must defend yourself in the same way.  But if another, whose intention for you and me is precisely our mutual love, objectifies us by that very intention, we are free to love each other.\u201d <\/p>\n<p> The Spirit is thus the love that binds the Father and Son but He is that \u201d <em> in that <\/em>  he is antecedently himself.  He is another who in his own intention liberates Father and Son to love each other.  The Father begets the Son, but it is the Spirit who presents this Son to His Father as an object of the love that begot him, that is, to be actively loved.  The Son adores the Father, but it is the Spirit who whose the Father to the Son not merely as ineffable Source but as the available and lovable Father.\u201d  Hence Jenson\u2019s formula that the Spirit liberates the Son and Father for one another. <\/p>\n<p> But where can the Spirit \u201cstand\u201d in order to intend the love of Father for Son?  He cannot \u201cstand\u201d between Father and Son, as in the Augustinian picture.  In that portrait, the Spirit gets absorbed into the binitarian dilemma.  Rather, Jenson argues, the Spirit stands at the End \u201cbecause he  <em> is <\/em>  the End of all God\u2019s ways.  The Spirit it the Liveliness of the divine life because he is the Power of the divine future.\u201d  And He is the love of the divine Love for the same reason, because He intends the mutual Love of Father and Son as the third to whom both Father and Son are objects. <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In his Systematic Theology: Volume 1: The Triune God , Jenson ponders why Barth\u2019s Trinitarian theology so often seems to collapse into a binity: \u201cthe inner-divine community of the Father and the Son is, explicitly [in Barth], \u2018two-sided.\u2019\u201d Since the Spirit is the fellowship itself, He is \u201d not a partner thereof . . . 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