{"id":5074,"date":"2013-01-11T12:46:38","date_gmt":"2013-01-11T18:46:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveisanorientation\/?p=5074"},"modified":"2013-01-13T19:09:09","modified_gmt":"2013-01-14T01:09:09","slug":"why-gabe-lyons-and-others-are-wrong-about-the-louie-giglio-aftermath","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveisanorientation\/2013\/01\/why-gabe-lyons-and-others-are-wrong-about-the-louie-giglio-aftermath\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Gabe Lyons and Others are Wrong about the Louie Giglio Aftermath"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/320\/2013\/01\/states_imgmap.gif\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5075\" title=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/320\/2013\/01\/states_imgmap-300x206.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"206\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There is so much to sort through after yesterday\u2019s announcement that Louie Giglio stepped down from praying at the Inauguration. You can find <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redletterchristians.org\/the-evangelical-reaction-to-louie-giglio\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a great summary of it all at Red Letter Christians<\/a>, by The Marin Foundation\u2019s new Associate Director, Michael Kimpan. There were a few prominent evangelicals to weigh in yesterday, and besides <a href=\"http:\/\/www.skyejethani.com\/farewell-louie-giglio\/1528\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Skye Jethani\u2019s insightful and nuanced post<\/a>, I found most of them to be totally off the mark.\u00a0In summarizing the themes from yesterday\u2019s evangelical world\u2019s attempt at thoughtful commentary, here is my overall analysis:<\/p>\n<p><em>The articles written by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.qideas.org\/blog\/bullied-on-the-presidents-stage.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gabe Lyons<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.albertmohler.com\/2013\/01\/10\/the-giglio-imbroglio-the-public-inauguration-of-a-new-moral-mccarthyism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Albert Mohler<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.edstetzer.com\/2013\/01\/evangelicals-and-44-of-america.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ed Stetzer<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/blogs\/guest-voices\/post\/time-to-ditch-evangelicals\/2013\/01\/09\/41d4b66e-5a77-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_blog.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Dickerson in the Washington Post<\/a> are wrongly generalizing this situation as the collapse of evangelicalism<\/em>. I can\u2019t stand when people do that. Does everyone realize that evangelicalism is still the dominant religious entity within our country? Why all the drama? Sure, evangelicalism didn\u2019t get it\u2019s way yesterday and now they\u2019re crying like a baby getting their toy (e.g. political platform) taken away from them. Where is the intelligent dialogue instead of the simple accusations and false generalizations? <strong>No wonder so many in the public square have such a hard time taking evangelicals seriously<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>First, it is clear that Gabe Lyons, Albert Mohler, Ed Stetzer, John Dickerson, etc, have little to no personal experience with the religious affiliations and convictions of those who advise and surround the President. I\u2019m not talking about Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton or Jay Carney or even Joshua Dubois. I\u2019m talking about the people who the public will never know their names because they are never in front of the camera, and yet play very significant roles in shaping public policy and attempting to navigate the ever-changing landscape of our country. In no way, shape, or form am I saying that I am better than anyone because I have been given the opportunity to personally know and be in relationship with quite a few folks at the White House. But I can honestly tell you that there are way more professing and practicing evangelicals throughout our government than any of the \u201cevangelical experts\u201d have a clue about.<\/p>\n<p>The President, regardless of what you think of him or the direction he is leading the country, does surround himself with a variety of worldviews, opinions and experiences. Just because he \u201ccomes out\u201d and makes definitive statements supporting the topics LGBTs care so deeply about, <em>doesn\u2019t mean he is not listening to a ton of people behind the scenes from all different walks of life\u2013very intentionally also including orthodox evangelicals<\/em>. <em>That is a fact.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>The broader issue then, becomes, is the conservative evangelical world flipping out because they aren\u2019t getting what they want and are no longer in the political power structure of our country\u2013fearful that the treatment they have implemented over other cultural non-dominant populations over the years will be turned back on them?<\/strong> Or are they flipping out because they just aren\u2019t aware that professing and practicing evangelicals actually do have a role in our country\u2019s highest offices? We\u2019ll have to see, but I sure pray it\u2019s the latter instead of the former. My gut, spirit if you will, unfortunately tells me it\u2019s the former.<\/p>\n<p>A few highlights and analysis from yesterday\u2019s famous evangelical\u2019s comments:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Gabe Lyons<\/strong> called what happened to his very good friend, Louie Giglio, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.qideas.org\/blog\/bullied-on-the-presidents-stage.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a hate crime<\/a>**. A HATE CRIME, GABE?! Are you serious. A hate crime involves physical violence against someone. As far as I am aware, Louie Giglio was not physically attacked and has a healthy able body, chilling in Atlanta this morning. He had some people write some very mean things about him on the world wide web. That does not count as a hate crime. Nor, my Bible believing friends, does that count as persecution. There are Christians literally getting killed around the world, just as in what we read about in Scripture. That is persecution!\u00a0<em>\u201cMy feelings get hurt, I get branded in a false light, and I get a very high profile speaking gig cancelled on me\u201d<\/em> IS. NOT. PERSECUTION. OR. A. HATE. CRIME. I know Gabe personally, and this is very sad to see. He\u2019s better than that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Albert Mohler<\/strong>, in his usual way of writing, doesn\u2019t offer any productive solutions for advancing the chasm <a href=\"http:\/\/www.albertmohler.com\/2013\/01\/10\/the-giglio-imbroglio-the-public-inauguration-of-a-new-moral-mccarthyism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">at the end of his commentary<\/a>, but only insists evangelicals must continue fighting against the evils of what is fearfully going to destroy us all. I don\u2019t know Albert Mohler, I wish I did because I would be fascinated to talk to him. But anyway, this article he wrote, and pretty much any others of his, you\u2019ve read one of them you\u2019ve read all of them. He needs to represent his Southern Baptist denomination in the public square with an eye much more clearly pointed towards peacefully engaging opposing worldviews through within the framework of his theological belief system, rather than continuing to think the mainstream will ever step inside his as a baseline for dialogue. I\u2019m sure he\u2019s a smart enough man to figure this out <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=mark%201:40-45&amp;version=NIV1984\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">like Jesus did in his day<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Stetzer\u2019s<\/strong> research shows that the country is at about a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.edstetzer.com\/2013\/01\/evangelicals-and-44-of-america.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">50\/50 split with people thinking that homosexuality is a sin<\/a>. It is true Ed, that with such a split your argument is correct that someone like Giglio should be allowed to pray, speak, etc as he does represent half of the country. But the President of the United States of America, the man being sworn in, is a part of the other 50%. Do you feel that Mitt Romney would have had gay Bishop Gene Robinson offer a prayer? We can only speculate, but with American politics as they are today, I highly doubt it. Why then Ed, are you so surprised this happened, especially after <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveisanorientation\/2013\/01\/reflections-on-the-louie-giglio-situation\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Giglio\u2019s silence to \u201cclarify\u201d<\/a> his current position since the sermon in question happened in the mid-90s?<\/p>\n<p>And <strong>John Dickerson<\/strong> asks the question, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/blogs\/guest-voices\/post\/time-to-ditch-evangelicals\/2013\/01\/09\/41d4b66e-5a77-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_blog.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">is it time to ditch the name \u201cevangelical?\u201d<\/a>\u00a0He makes a very compelling argument why. Fine, change the name from \u201cevangelical\u201d to [insert new name here]. Doesn\u2019t change the beliefs, just gives it a new \u201cbrand,\u201d as Dickerson put it. Well, as I said in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveisanorientation\/2013\/01\/jan-9-my-one-sentence-bible\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">My One Sentence Bible on January 9th<\/a>:\u00a0<strong>Jesus doesn\u2019t care about your \u201cbrand.\u201d In fact, he can\u2019t stand the fact that you care so much about it. [Luke 20:41-47]<\/strong>. If the beliefs won\u2019t change with a new name, then, a reclamation of \u201cthe brand\u201d can only happen through actions. But, if you\u2019re dead set on changing the name, I\u2019m a big fan of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redletterchristians.org\/start\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Red Letter Christian. Evangelicals talk a great game about what Jesus says in the red letters, time to actually live it out, then<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>All in all, the \u201cend of evangelicalism\u201d or the \u201cpublic oppression of evangelicalism\u201d will all happen much sooner and greater than anyone could have expected without a more intelligent thought towards engaging the public square with more than blames, accusations, fear tactics and false generalizations. A rough day indeed for evangelicals all over, and not because Giglio stepped down.<\/p>\n<p>**<strong>Update<\/strong>: As of the evening of 1\/11\/13, Gabe Lyons tweeted me with a link to an retraction of the use of \u201chate crime.\u201d See his explanation <a href=\"http:\/\/www.qideas.org\/blog\/bullied-on-the-presidents-stage.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Much love.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.themarinfoundation.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.themarinfoundation.org<\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There is so much to sort through after yesterday&#8217;s announcement that Louie Giglio stepped down from praying at the Inauguration. 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