{"id":12446,"date":"2013-01-29T11:44:48","date_gmt":"2013-01-29T15:44:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/?p=12446"},"modified":"2013-01-29T11:44:48","modified_gmt":"2013-01-29T15:44:48","slug":"right-wing-radio-hosts-discuss-man-hating-feminists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2013\/01\/right-wing-radio-hosts-discuss-man-hating-feminists.html","title":{"rendered":"Right-Wing Radio Hosts Discuss Man-Hating Feminists"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

Jessica, a writer for Friendly Atheist, has a fascinating post<\/a> up today in which she analyses\u00a0 and responds to a conversation about feminism that took place between two right-wing radio hosts. This piece is instructive as well as maddening, because the radio hosts, Swanson and Buehner, employ essentially every anti-feminist stereotype and straw man out there. Here is the clip:<\/p>\n<\/iframe>\nIf you don\u2019t have a moment to listen, don\u2019t worry, because Jessica took the time to transcribe<\/em> the entire thing. I\u2019m going to give you an excerpt from Jessica\u2019s post, follow with a short summary of the rest of the conversation, and finish with some of my own thoughts on Swanson and Buehner\u2019s comments.<\/p>\n<blockquote>I\u2019m going to go ahead and walk you though the crazy:<\/p>\nKevin Swanson<\/strong>: And remember\u00a0the goal is that these women have to be\u00a0independent.<\/strong><\/p>\nSo, off to a strong start here.\u00a0\u201dThe goal is that these women have to be independent\u201d\u2026 I guess that\u2019s fine, right? Independence is great!\u00a0Even though he said it with quite a bit of snark, I am all for\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=0lPQZni7I18\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">independent\u00a0ladies<\/a>!<\/p>\nThe goal is lots and lots of birth control. The goal is lots and lots and lots of fornication.\u00a0The goal is abortion. The day after pill will help, and will help a lot.<\/strong><\/p>\nWow. Okay, um, I guess the birth control goal is sort of close to true, right? I mean, I\u2019m usually into quality birth control over quantity. (Same for fornication.)<\/p>\nBut\u2026 the abortion thing?\u00a0What? The\u00a0goal<\/em>\u00a0is abortion? And if that\u2019s the goal, the\u00a0morning<\/em>-after pill will not be too helpful at all.<\/p>\nSo, if you\u2019re keeping score, here are the feminists\u2019 goals so far:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Independence<\/li>\n<li>Lots and lots of birth control<\/li>\n<li>Lots and lots and lots of fornication<\/li>\n<li>Abortion<\/li>\n<\/ol>\nWe continue:<\/p>\nRemember,\u00a0the goal is to get that girl a job because she needs no stinkin\u2019 husband; she\u2019s got the\u00a0fascist\u00a0corporation\u00a0and government-mandated insurance programs and socialist welfare that will take care of her, womb to tomb. Who needs a cotton-pickin\u2019 husband?!<\/strong>\u00a0Who needs a family? That\u2019s pretty much the worldview that\u2019s dominating, my friends.\u00a0That\u2019s what the college is all about<\/strong>.<\/p>\nSo, as a woman, I want a job so that I don\u2019t need a husband so that a\u00a0corporation\u00a0with\u00a0government-mandated insurance\u00a0and<\/em>\u00a0welfare will take care of me.<\/p>\nSo I need a job\u2026 so I can get welfare? And if I did have a husband and went on his insurance plan, how would that make the corporation less fascist?<\/p>\nAnd that, my friends, is what The CollegeTM<\/sup>\u00a0is all about!<\/p>\nDave Buehner<\/strong>: Because\u00a0her feminist professors have told her [that] her husband will abuse her; she will be like a slave to him<\/strong>.\u00a0Instead, she will just go to the slave market and sell herself, at least sell her body to the highest bidder.<\/strong>\u00a0See, that\u2019s much, much better.<\/p>\nWhat classes is this\u00a0Fictitious Feminist gal taking? I kinda want in on it.<\/p>\nSo instead of getting married, all of us single feminist ladies are going out and literally prostituting ourselves. Seriously, I barely ever missed classes in college. I cannot believe I missed the entire \u201cYour Husband Will Hold You In Slavery\u201d unit.<\/p>\n[<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/friendlyatheist\/2013\/01\/29\/dissecting-a-conversation-between-the-two-most-misogynistic-christian-radio-hosts-youve-ever-heard\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">read the rest<\/a>]<\/p><\/blockquote>\nSwanson and Buehner go on to say that there are two groups of feminists. The first group are the attractive ones who use their looks to get a leg up in the business world and the second group are the ugly ones who get angry and go into academia. Both groups dispense with both husbands and children. Swanson and Buehner go so far as to say that feminists not only don\u2019t care about having children but also have actually ceased to love either children or husband. Buehner concludes by saying that feminists are \u201cselfish,\u00a0narcissistic, family-destroying whores.<\/strong>\u201d<\/p>\nJessica does a great job taking these guys down, especially regarding their constant talk of birth control and welfare, but I wanted to take a moment to add a few things.<\/p>\nFirst, while I\u00a0wholeheartedly\u00a0endorse the decision some women make to not marry or not have children (decisions that are far from selfish or narcissistic!), the vast, vast majority of women who identify as feminists do<\/em> marry and do<\/em> have children. Swanson and Buehner\u2019s suggestion that being a feminist means that I don\u2019t love my children or my husband is incredibly offensive. Given the absolutely unrealistic nature of Swanson and Buehner\u2019s straw feminist, I\u2019m wondering if they\u2019ve ever actually met<\/em> any feminists. But then, I suppose that if they were to meet me they might well simply assert to my face that, because I don\u2019t stay home with my children, I don\u2019t love them. Do you know how annoying it is to be telling that you believe one thing while they insist that, inside, you really actually believe something else? Yeah, it would probably be like that.<\/p>\nBut that leads into the next point. If a desire for financial independence and a career means a woman can\u2019t love her husband and children, what does that say for men? In Swanson and Buehner\u2019s world, men are to be financially independent and have careers\u2014but wouldn\u2019t that mean men can\u2019t love their wives and children? I mean, if I can\u2019t have a career and earn money while also loving my spouse and children, why would Sean magically be able to do both? (Perhaps Swanson and Buehner think Y chromosomes are some sort of magic.)<\/p>\nOne final note. Did you catch just how focused Swanson and Buehner are on women\u2019s looks? This annoys me to no end. Can we stop dividing feminists into \u201cattractive feminists\u201d and \u201cugly feminists\u201d already? Can we stop assuming that whether a woman is considered attractive or not by a given person might not be the most important thing about her? Can we stop assuming that a woman\u2019s attractiveness or lack thereof governs her success in life and her happiness? And can we stop assuming that there is one standard of attractiveness? Honestly this is one reason I\u2019m glad I blog under a pseudonym: this way I don\u2019t have to worry about people on the internet discussing at length whether or not I\u2019m attractive, as though that was some sort of critical question!<\/p>\nAnd having said that, I\u2019d like to encourage you to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/friendlyatheist\/2013\/01\/29\/dissecting-a-conversation-between-the-two-most-misogynistic-christian-radio-hosts-youve-ever-heard\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">go read Jessica\u2019s post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Jessica, a writer for Friendly Atheist, has an fascinating post up today in which she examines a conversation about feminism that took place between two right-wing radio hosts. She both transcribes their statements and offers an analysis and response (served with a side of delightful snark). 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