{"id":13035,"date":"2013-02-08T05:00:24","date_gmt":"2013-02-08T09:00:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/?p=13035"},"modified":"2013-02-07T18:16:55","modified_gmt":"2013-02-07T22:16:55","slug":"ctbhhm-else-god-will-drive-you-mad-literally","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2013\/02\/ctbhhm-else-god-will-drive-you-mad-literally.html","title":{"rendered":"CTBHHM: Else God Will Drive You Mad (Literally)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/created-to-be-his-help-meet\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Created To Be His Help Meet<\/a>, pp. 59-63<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Having threatened her readers with all manner of \u201ccruel\u201d consequences for not following God\u2019s marriage plan with its emphasis on wifely submission, and having urged her readers against thinking they can be \u201cspiritual\u201d or hear from God on their own, Debi follows up with a cautionary tale called \u201cThe Crazy Lady.\u201d Here is how it begins:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I\u2019ll never forget something that happened several years ago. A middle-aged couple with several children moved into our area so they could get counseling. The woman didn\u2019t like the counseling they had\u00a0received\u00a0in the church where they had met and\u00a0married\u00a0 She thought that by moving into our community where there were so many \u201cspiritual men,\u201d her husband would \u201cget some help.\u201d She wanted my husband to \u201cdisciple him,\u201d to be \u201chis mentor\u201d\u2014something Mike considers effeminate on the level she expected.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Debi goes on to explain that the husband had been a \u201chighly successful and prosperous businessman\u201d before the couple married, but that the wife disapproved of participation in the business world.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>She thought he should \u201clive by faith,\u201d which meant not working, but staying home with the ever-expanding family.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Debi goes on to say that the wife was convinced that she was especially spiritual, and that her lovable \u201cteddy bear\u201d of a husband was convinced of that as well. The husband therefore followed his wife\u2019s lead, and he \u201crelocated and modified his business as \u2018God directed her.'\u201d However, his new business ventures did not succeed and his flock of homeschooled children multiplied, leaving him financially discouraged. He grew unsure of himself, and his wife saw this as evidence that he lacked faith. As a result, \u201ctheir marriage bed suffered.\u201d They began getting marriage counseling at their church and reading the Pearls\u2019 literature. This was their situation immediately prior to moving into the Pearls\u2019 area and hoping the move and a new community would solve their problems.<\/p>\n<p>Let me pause to offer some analysis. I\u2019ve actually seen this before, where a person will become convinced that they have a direct line to God and manage to bring all of those around them under their spell. In the case I experienced, which happened while I was in college, it was a young woman who claimed this connection. In fact, she actually said God spoke to her. She was so genuine and devout that we all believed her, and were eager to alter our lives according to her messages from God. At some point the whole thing imploded and it turned out that the young woman in question had mental problems and needed medication. But I don\u2019t think her sense of certainty, and our willingness to mistake certainty for trustworthiness, are all that abnormal. And honestly, it sounds like something similar happened with the couple in this story.<\/p>\n<p>One thing I want to point out before we get into Debi\u2019s analysis is that I don\u2019t think Debi would have a problem with this scenario if the genders were reversed. In other words, the problem is not that one spouse claims to have a special connection to God and the other believes this and follows what the first says. The problem is <em>which<\/em> spouse is claiming to be especially close to God and which is\u00a0acquiescing.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It didn\u2019t take my husband and me long to see the source of their problems.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Of course it didn\u2019t! \/snark<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>She was not her husband\u2019s helper; she was his conscience.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Can I say how not surprised I am by this diagnosis?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We shared God\u2019s Word with her, telling her that her disobedience\u00a0and\u00a0lack of reverence to her husband were sin. She was shocked that we would think she was\u00a0disobedient\u00a0to her husband. She was very committed to reading and studying God\u2019s word and loved to \u201cshare\u201d with other women.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As I read this, I had two thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>First, Debi is highly distrustful of women studying the Bible on their own and having their own independent relationships with God and independent prayer lives. It almost sounds here like Debi saw this woman, with her desire to \u201cshare\u201d what she had learned from God\u2019s word with the other women in their community, as a threat. And indeed, women developing their own spirituality and own connections with God <em>is<\/em> a threat to Debi\u2019s patriarchal religious beliefs. Debi, remember, has made it very clear that she both learned what she is sharing here from her husband and that her husband read the book and approved of it before she published it. This woman, in contrast, does not properly contextualize her ability to ascertain God\u2019s will within this patriarchal framework.<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, the situation Debi is describing is clearly not healthy. Once again, I want to point out that I\u2019ve <em>been<\/em> there. It is absolutely <em>not<\/em> healthy when one person claims to have a clear and direct line to God, to be especially \u201cspiritual,\u201d and to know what God wants for the individuals around her. But what Debi is missing is that this is not healthy <em>not<\/em> because of the genders of those involved but rather because any relationship that functions like this, with one party claiming access to the voice of God and the other nodding and following, is not healthy.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to go beyond this and say that <em>any absolute certainty about God\u2019s will<\/em> isn\u2019t healthy. What I mean is that it seems to me that it\u2019s one thing to believe that God calls everyone to be kind to those around them, or to be ethical in their business practices, and quite another to believe that God has told you to give up your job and start a home business, or to move to\u00a0Phoenix, Arizona. I remember convincing myself that God wanted me to do some very specific thing, and looking back I am amazed by how contrived it all looks.<\/p>\n<p>And so the story continues. It seems that the couple had to use all of their money on the relocation, and that the wife insisted on tithing every little bit they got as time went on, \u201cbelieving God would return it manyfold.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We warned her over and over against usurping authority and dishonoring her husband.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Notice that the problem isn\u2019t tithing every last little bit of their money and thus leaving them in dire financial straights. The problem isn\u2019t treating God like a genie where you put dollars in and hundred dollar bills shoot out. The problem is that tithing the last bit of their money is <em>her<\/em> idea rather than her husband\u2019s idea.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>She just couldn\u2019t believe that God would have her, a spiritual woman, stand up for and follow a \u201ccarnal\u201d man.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Lets ignore, for a moment, the problems I have with this woman\u2019s belief that she has a direct line to God and her spouse\u2019s choice to assume that God is indeed speaking through her, especially about such specific things as what business he should be in and where they should live. Let\u2019s turn it around a little. Let\u2019s talk about competency. Recall for a moment how <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2013\/01\/john-piper-gender-roles-and-women-in-combat.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">John Piper said<\/a>\u00a0that if a man and a woman are in danger, threatened by a knife-wielding stranger, for instance, \u201che should step in front of her and be ready to lay down his life to protect her,<strong> irrespective of competency<\/strong>. It is written on his soul. That is what manhood does.\u201d\u00a0I sense that same line of thinking here. The wife in the story is saying that she is especially spiritual and her husband is not, so they should follow her spirituality. It\u2019s much like saying that one spouse is really good at mechanical things while the other isn\u2019t, so that spouse should be the one who fixes things when they break. It\u2019s about <em>competency<\/em>. But for Debi, it\u2019s not about competency, it\u2019s about <em>gender<\/em>, <em>irrespective of competency<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>This next section is very evocative of Debi\u2019s views about both women\u2019s spirituality and egalitarian Christians\u2019 views of the Bible:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The foremost drive of her life was her own \u201cdeep\u201d spirituality. She felt that the \u201cSpirit\u201d was her guide and that what God said about and to women concerning their position in the chain of command was not relevant to her; she was the exception. Furthermore, she had read books and pamphlets and heard sermons that explained away the passages that seem to limit a woman\u2019s role in the family and the church. They stated something like, \u201cThe original Greek word says . . . . What that really means is . . . . You see, Paul was speaking to cultural issues peculiar to that time . . . . Surely God wouldn\u2019t command a woman to . . . . In Christ there is no male or female . . . . Weren\u2019t there women prophets?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She was totally\u00a0deceived\u00a0into thinking that her female intuition,\u00a0sensitivity\u00a0 and passions were spirituality. She had no idea that she was a woman in total rebellion against God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Stop the train! I figured it out! I know what Debi is doing here!<\/p>\n<p>Debi is eliding <em>equality<\/em> with <em>female domination<\/em>. In other words, Debi is telling women that if they think they can hear from God like men, the result is going to be marriages where the woman leads and the man is completely cowed. The idea that a man and a woman could actually be equal in a relationship, that you could actually have a cooperative partnership without one partner dominating the other, is completely foreign to Debi, and she\u2019s working on making sure that it\u2019s foreign to her readers as well. <em>You think you can be equal? Well then, is what your husband will look like if you continue down that path. A cowed woman.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>And then there\u2019s this:<em> \u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>When a woman attempts to live for God contrary to his Word, her \u201cspirituality\u201d is equal to witchcraft, because she is attempting to \u201cdivine\u201d the will of God in total disregard of his clear written words.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Witchraft is about the worst thing you can be accused of in fundamentalist or conservative evangelical circles, and Debi is telling women that if they try to think for themselves about religious matters, well, that\u2019s <em>witchcraft<\/em>. Because the Bible is obvious and clear, and if you think too long about it, <em>witchcraft<\/em>. If you ask questions? <em>Witchcraft<\/em>. Biblical criticism, looking at the Greek, learning more about the cultural context in which the Bible was written? <em>Witchcraft<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Sigh.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It certainly was clear to my husband and I; her sin would be her destruction.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Once again, her sin, according to Debi, is being her husband\u2019s conscience instead of his help meet. And beyond that, her sin is thinking she can be <em>spiritual<\/em>. Because she\u2019s a woman.<\/p>\n<p>It had already reduced her once strong, resourceful husband into a fearful, pitiful man.<\/p>\n<p>You got that? It\u2019s either be your husband\u2019s submissive help meet or cow him into being a shell of a man. Equality? Cooperation? A union of two equals? Impossible, at least in Debi\u2019s world. It\u2019s be a submissive wife, or a have cowed, womanly husband.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s what\u2019s coming that makes this story so strange.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Over the years, the poisonous bile of her soul had been affecting her mind. One night, immediately after an especially powerful church service, while everyone was fellowshipping, I saw her approach my husband rather overly excited, so I began to make my way to him in case he needed me. Just as I got close, I saw her begin to swing her arms in wide jerky movements and heard her yell out loudly that her husband was in an adulterus affair with\u00a0Marilyn\u00a0Monroe (dead then for 50 years or so). She said she had a vision from God, which explained all their troubles. About the time I got to her side, she began to name several of the young mothers with new babies in the church as her husband\u2019s sex partners, claiming the babies were his.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Debi\u2019s explanation of this?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>God had visited her with madness. He does \u201cfearful\u201d things like that.\u00a0<\/strong>He didn\u2019t just allow it to happen, he was there to push her over the edge. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. She had no fear of God. She should have.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I don\u2019t think I like Debi\u2019s God.<\/p>\n<p>And then Debi confirms something I was saying earlier:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This lady believed she could force her husband to submit because she was \u201cspiritually anointed.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Like I said before, Debi is using this story to demonstrate to her readers that there are two options: Either submit, or force your husband to submit. If you try to lead and your husband submits to your leadership, God will drive you mad. If, in contrast, you submit and let your husband lead, God will give you props. And once again, the idea that a married couple could actually form a partnership of equals is foreign to her.<\/p>\n<p>How does this story finish? Like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>God was not mocked. The whole family still reaps what she sowed to this day. A wife without genuine fear of God can drift so far from reality that she needs sedatives to maintain an appearance of sanity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And here I think I\u2019m getting an idea of Debi\u2019s conception of mental illness.<\/p>\n<p>Debi goes on to make this specific example more general.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>By the time many women are entering their fortieth year, they are teetering on the edge of mental instability.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Why? Because they have spent their lives \u201cpracticing bitterness,\u201d especially against their husbands, rather than \u201cpracticing being thankful and merry.\u201d And, as Debi insists, practice makes perfect.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the course of time, her edginess and moodiness grow, she realizes that she can no longer control her nervousness. One day her \u201cnerves\u201d snap and she loses control, screaming like a crazy woman and calling loved ones terrible names. She will say it was \u201cjust a bad hormone day,\u201d but the family will wonder. The family learns to tolerate her\u00a0occasional\u00a0blow-ups, and she keeps practicing. After a visit to the doctor, she is calmer . . . \u201cmore her old self.\u201d The doctor changed her medication.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Be thankful and merry, Debi says, <em>or God will drive you mad<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Here is a photo of what comes next, the last page in this section:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/166\/2013\/02\/photo-1.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-13037\" title=\"photo (1)\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/166\/2013\/02\/photo-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"446\" height=\"597\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>So yes, Debi is literally threatening women with madness if they refuse to follow her marriage advice, telling them that if they refuse to submit to their husbands, they will go mad. 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