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<\/a>By Aletha<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\nOriginally posted on Yllom Mormon<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n Created To Need A Help Meet<\/a><\/strong>,\u00a0pp. 174\u2014175<\/p>\n Last\u00a0section, Michael engaged in some mental gymnastics. We were taught that women are supposed to obey their husbands, but their husbands aren\u2019t supposed to remind them of this. I guess that\u2019s what Debi\u2019s book is for. Today,we are talking about WHY women are meant to be in subjugation to their husbands. The answer is: Eve, of course.<\/p>\n Not Created to Obey?<\/strong><\/p>\n Though it is none of our business what God says to wives, it will serve us well to examine all the Scripture carefully so as to adjust our misconceptions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n I have a hard time buying that men in this culture think what God says to their wives is none of their business. Especially considering that Michael has made it clear that men are like Gods in their house. And I would pay money to see Michael examine ALL the scripture, not just the ones that agree with him. Who\u2019s with me-we can take up a collection!<\/p>\n In the creation account neither God nor Adam said anything about Eve being created to obey. God made her so Adam would not be alone, so she could complete him and help him in soul and spirit, not so he would have a servant. Genesis 2:18<\/strong>-And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make an help meet for him.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Okay\u2026that\u2019s interesting. I guess somewhere between Eve\u2019s creation and Debi\u2019s book, the rules have changed. I\u2019m a bit amused that Michael seems to think that EVERY conversation God had with Adam and Eve was recorded in the Bible. Because, really, how can we know that God never said anything about Eve being created to obey?<\/p>\n After Eve\u2019s creation Adam responds prophetically, defining the historical significance of the moment.\u00a0Notice he makes no allusion to her obeying him.<\/span> Genesis 2:23-24<\/strong>-And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n I\u2019m curious about a few things. First, if Adam hadn\u2019t eaten of the tree of knowledge yet, and was on speaking terms with God, how could he speak prophetically? Isn\u2019t prophecy interpreting God\u2019s will for others? The only other was Eve, and, at least the way I was taught, she could hear God just as well as Adam could.<\/p>\n Second, how would Adam know that a man leaves his father and mother? The only frame of reference he had was himself and Eve. After all, he was created from dust, and Eve from his rib.<\/p>\n One thing I agree with, is that nowhere in this verse it talks about serving. Yes, there\u2019s the one flesh bit, but it doesn\u2019t say \u201cAnd by one flesh, I mean the woman should do what the man says.\u201d Even though that\u2019s kind of what Michael teaches.<\/p>\n But after Eve initiated the first sin and then lured her husband into disobedience, God placed a curse upon Satan, nature, Adam, and upon Eve. Genesis 3:16<\/strong>-Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and they conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and\u00a0he shall rule over thee.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n Ah, there it is. Eve screwed up and now women will forever have to pay for it. Sounds like a real loving God\u2026.This philosophy is interesting to me. In the Mormon church<\/a>, I was taught that Eve didn\u2019t screw up, didn\u2019t make a mistake, and didn\u2019t \u201clure\u2019 Adam into disobedience. She understood that there was no other way for her to fulfill God\u2019s first commandment (Be fruitful and multiply) unless she had some knowledge. Then she pretty much told Adam that, and added \u201cI already ate the fruit. I\u2019m going to die. Do you want to be alone?\u201d In Mormondom, there is no concept of \u201coriginal sin\u201d, because it wasn\u2019t a sin at all. It was a necessary course of action to insure that other people would be created.<\/p>\n To me, that sounds a lot better than \u201cGullible woman! Now you\u2019re all cursed!\u201d Oh, and I think it\u2019s interesting that Michael seems to have jumped from \u201che shall rule over\u201d to \u201cwomen are not capable of making their own decisions or choices because of ladyparts\u201d. I haven\u2019t studied the Bible for 60 years like he claims to have, but I\u2019m pretty sure that part isn\u2019t in there.<\/p>\n Paul\u2019s letter to Timothy reveals further consequences of the curse, describing why women are not allowed to hold the highest office in the church or to gain ascendance over men in a church setting and why their husbands are to rule over them. 1 Timothy 2:11-15<\/strong> If these verses were really what God meant when he handed A&E the consequences, then why did he wait\u00a04000<\/a>\u00a0years to specify this? Shouldn\u2019t they be in Genesis 3:16 instead? But no, the only thing that is listed that God actually said was that the man shall rule over the wife. Not that I agree with this, but it\u2019s a bit less demeaning than \u201cWomen learn in silence and subjection and don\u2019t usurp authority from the man. Oh, and be quiet, in case you missed that.\u201d<\/p>\n I wasn\u2019t sure what \u201csaved in childbearing\u201d meant, so I Googled it. This is what I\u2019ve learned: people really have no clue. There\u2019s a lot of interpretations, with a lot of different meanings. However this\u00a0page<\/a>\u00a0seemed to sum up most of the arguments, and gives an answer that is-more or less-supported by other scripture. (Not that I agree with this at all).<\/p>\n Since Adam was \u201cnot\u00a0deceived\u201d by Satan\u2019s lies and Eve was, no doubt due to her female nature which rendered her\u00a0more gullible than Adam, God has commanded men to not again put themselves in the place of granting leadership to women. They are the first to be swept away with cultish dogma.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Oh yes. Here we are again. Women are gullible because of their female natures. The condescension Michael seemingly has for women is upsetting. He truly cannot go a full 2 pages without some snide comment towards women, or Debi. It\u2019s interesting that he sees Adam as the victim in all this. Satan convinced the woman who convinced Adam\u2026poor guy, just got caught up in listening to the eye candy talk. Ick.<\/p>\n
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\n11-Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
\n12-But I suffer not a woman to teach,\u00a0nor to\u00a0usurp\u00a0authority over the man<\/strong>, but to be in silence.
\n13-For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
\n14-And Adam was not\u00a0deceived, but the\u00a0woman being\u00a0deceived<\/strong>\u00a0was in transgression.
\n15-Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n