{"id":24046,"date":"2014-11-14T08:44:20","date_gmt":"2014-11-14T12:44:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/?p=24046"},"modified":"2014-11-14T08:57:55","modified_gmt":"2014-11-14T12:57:55","slug":"terrie-elzie-and-children-in-public-spaces","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2014\/11\/terrie-elzie-and-children-in-public-spaces.html","title":{"rendered":"Terrie Elzie, and Children in Public Spaces"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Last week a\u00a0woman named Terrie\u00a0Elzie was shopping when her\u00a0preschool-aged child had\u00a0a meltdown in the checkout aisle. When the volume got especially\u00a0loud, another shopper, Natalie Bree Hajek-Richardson asked Elzie to quiet her child. Elzie responded defensively, then Hajek-Richardson told her to go to hell. Next, Elzie followed Hajek-Richardson into the parking lot, saying \u201cWhere\u2019d you tell me to go?\u201d, and then punched Hajek-Richardson\u00a0in the face. This was caught on surveillance\u00a0camera. Hajek-Richardson lost several teeth, and Elzie has been arrested for battery.\u00a0<span style=\"color: #222222;\">You can read more\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sfgate.com\/crime\/article\/Mother-who-allegedly-punched-woman-over-screaming-5886760.php\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a><span style=\"color: #222222;\">,\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com\/2014\/11\/06\/colma-shopper-attacked-after-telling-mom-to-calm-down-child-throwing-tantrum-natalie-bree-hajek-richardson-nordstrom-rack-punched-assault\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a><span style=\"color: #222222;\">, and\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com\/2014\/11\/11\/mom-arrested-accused-of-attacking-hipster-who-asked-her-to-quiet-her-trantrum-throwing-kid-at-colma-nordstroms-rack-assault-punched-shopper\/#.VGPpeE1n1Fk.facebook\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a><span style=\"color: #222222;\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I have seen multiple mothers defending Elize\u2019s actions.\u00a0According to them, Hajek-Richardson deserved what she got, and should have known better than to suggest that Elzie quiet her child.\u00a0I\u2019m rather horrified by this response. To me, Elzie\u2019s actions don\u2019t speak of the depth of her\u00a0annoyance, they speak of anger management problems. Getting annoyed is normal\u00a0and okay\u2014for both parties, in this case. Responding to that annoyance by punching\u00a0someone in the face\u00a0is <em>not<\/em>\u00a0normal or okay. If the parties were reversed, it could have been the annoyed shopper who punched out the mother of the child having a meltdown. That wouldn\u2019t be any more okay than this is.<\/p>\n<p>This isn\u2019t the first time I\u2019ve noticed disagreement over this issue of\u00a0children in public spaces. Only\u00a0last\u00a0weekend, the comment thread on my post about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2014\/11\/in-which-bobby-tries-to-communicate.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bobby\u2019s matchbox cars<\/a> got out of hand when one reader questioned why I\u2019d allowed Bobby to take the cars into a store, other readers explained that a small toy often helps keep children happy during a shopping trip, and then somehow things dissolved into the internet equivalent of parents and adults\u00a0without children\u00a0shouting at each other.<\/p>\n<p>I honestly don\u2019t understand\u00a0why this has to be so complicated. When\u00a0it comes to children in public spaces, people\u00a0need to be understanding and parents need to be considerate.<\/p>\n<p>Being out with a young child\u00a0in public is frequently exhausting, and I say this as someone whose children are generally fairly well behaved. Just the other\u00a0night I begged a few cups of flour off of a neighbor when I realized we were out in the middle of making cookies, because packing two small\u00a0children into the car\u00a0and heading to\u00a0the store for flour sounded so like so much work.\u00a0Being a young child is hard too, especially given that\u00a0behavioral expectations often don\u2019t take normal childhood development into account. Sometimes children have meltdowns, that\u2019s how it works. You would too, if you were in their shoes!<\/p>\n<p>It would be easy to suggest that if taking young children out can be so hard on both parent and child, they should just stay home. It\u2019s not so simple. My mother tells stories of days on end without leaving the house when my siblings and I were small, and of going stir crazy and calling my father at work just so that she could \u201chear the sound of an adult voice.\u201d It\u2019s unfair to expect parents of young children to simply not go out. Children and parents have just as much right to public spaces as anyone else.<\/p>\n<p>Parents can try to prevent a meltdown by making sure not to take a child shopping when she is tired or hungry, but even the best laid plans can go awry. Once a meltdown has begun, there is generally\u00a0very little a parent can do but wait it out.\u00a0If you, as another adult, ask a mother whose child is having a meltdown to \u201cdo something about it,\u201d exactly what is it you expect that parent to do? If a child is having a meltdown, that parent isn\u2019t any happier about it than you are. When a meltdown is in progress, the child is beyond listening to persuasion\u2014and besides, parents who try to end a meltdown by offering\u00a0at treat are often judged by other adults for doing so. For the parent, there is simply no way to win. Harsher tactics like threats of physical punishment are also unlikely to work\u2014and is that really what you want, for the\u00a0parent to respond to a child\u2019s meltdown by hitting the child?<\/p>\n<p>A meltdown, once in progress, must be waited out\u2014that\u2019s how meltdowns work. (If you don\u2019t believe me, take a look at the literature on the subject, because I\u2019m not pulling this out of thin air here.)<\/p>\n<p>What about expecting a parent of a child who is having a meltdown in public to remove that child? When a child has a meltdown in public, the parent runs through a list of options. Leave? Stay? What does the child\u2019s meltdown\u00a0mean for the rest of the planned trip? Sometimes leaving is the best option, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2014\/04\/the-valentines-day-disaster.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">I\u2019ve done so myself on occasion<\/a>. But sometimes the best option is to finish the current errand quickly\u00a0and then scrap the second errand in favor of heading straight home.<\/p>\n<p>In many ways, shopping ups the ante. Leaving the library or a similar public space mid-visit doesn\u2019t mean going without needed groceries, but leaving mid-store often would. Elzie\u2019s child had a meltdown in the checkout line, so I\u2019m not surprised she chose to stay and finish\u00a0rather than leaving a full cart. Please bear in mind that there\u00a0are many parents for whom it is simply\u00a0impractical to shop without their children. A stay-at-home parent often has children 24\/7, and a working parent only has childcare during working hours. Shopping can be especially tricky for those who don\u2019t\u00a0have a parenting partner to help out and those who are lower income and must squish shopping in somewhere between long shifts at multiple jobs. Packing up a child mid meltdown and leaving is not always a feasible option.<\/p>\n<p>All of this is to say that people\u00a0need to be <em>understanding<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>If you are inconvenienced by a child having a meltdown, trust me, that child and her parent are having an even worse time. Making a comment about the noise is only going to make things worse. That parent <em>knows<\/em> that her child is making noise. If she could stop it, she would have already. So what should you do? Well for one thing, try not to glare or give judgmental glances. If anything, give the parent a sympathetic word or glance. I can\u2019t tell you how much it means to have an adult smile and say \u201cI\u2019ve been there too, don\u2019t worry, it does get better,\u201d or some variant of it. Of course, it\u2019s perfectly legitimate to feel annoyed and simply avoid eye contact, hurrying by and on your way. No one is asking you to <em>like<\/em> being around a child having a meltdown. Trust me, we don\u2019t either!<\/p>\n<p>But there\u2019s another side to this, too, and that is that parents and young children need to be <em>considerate<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not pleasant to listen to a child having a meltdown. It\u2019s not pleasant to have a meal interrupted by children running, bumping, or\u00a0making excess noise. It\u2019s not pleasant to be run into\u00a0by a child with a mini shopping cart. Children should be welcome\u00a0in public spaces with a certain level\u00a0of understanding for their developmental needs, but at the same time a certain level of consideration\u00a0for others should also be expected.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve talked before about teaching children empathy. This is one place where I do that. It\u2019s not about shaming children for acting in normal ways. It\u2019s about saying \u201cSally<span style=\"color: #3e454c;\">, that woman is trying to eat her supper too, and talk to her friends. I know running back and forth across the restaurant is fun, but it\u2019s disturbing other people. See? Come over here and let\u2019s look at this book I brought while we finish eating.\u201d Children should be taught how to behave in public spaces, and parents should set certain boundaries and help teach good behavior.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>There are some parents who seem to feel that giving children boundaries in public spaces constrains them, and is somehow unfair. I understand the sentiment, but I disagree, because part of raising children has to do with teaching them appropriate behavior. It is our job to prepare them for the\u00a0adult\u00a0world, and that world does have certain rules and expectations. We should be understanding of children\u2019s developmental needs, yes, and we should make allowances for that. But a behavior being \u201cnormal\u201d does not make it acceptable. We teach our children not to hit other children; we also need to teach our children\u00a0not to unnecessarily inconvenience other adults in public places. Other adults in those spaces need to understand that our children are still <em>learning<\/em> these things, but we need to hold up our part and make sure we are actually <em>teaching<\/em> these things.<\/p>\n<p>We are also responsible for our children\u2019s actions. Waiting out a meltdown is one thing,\u00a0but allowing a child to\u00a0hit others or throw things or dump out all the candy in the checkout aisle during that meltdown would be\u00a0something else entirely.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s a balance to be struck here. Young children are developmentally different from adults, and allowances must be made. However, parents should make sure their children do not inconvenience others more than necessary and should work to teach their children to have consideration for others. There have been times when this goes too far in one direction, the extreme being the idea that children are to be \u201cseen and not heard,\u201d but it can go too far in the other direction too, when parents let their children \u201crun wild\u201d without consideration for how this may affect others.<\/p>\n<p>What does all of this have to do with the news story I began this post with? Elzie\u2019s child was having a meltdown in a public place. Since she was already at the checkout she probably decided to get through the line as quickly as possible and then get her child out of there. I would have done the same. I\u00a0see nothing wrong with the calculus she made. Rather than being understanding (which I should point out doesn\u2019t have to mean being happy about it),\u00a0Hajek-Richardson asked Elzie to quiet her child, and then cursed her out when she failed to do so. Elzie had good reason to be upset. She did <em>not<\/em>, however, have good reason to follow Hajek-Richardson to the car and punch her in the face.<\/p>\n<p>This story presents a good opportunity to talk about disagreements over the place of children in public spaces, and to promote understanding and consideration on both stories. Defending Elzie\u2019s actions does\u00a0the opposite.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This story presents a good opportunity to talk about disagreements over the place of children in public spaces, and to promote understanding and consideration on both stories. 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