{"id":38158,"date":"2018-07-31T09:21:14","date_gmt":"2018-07-31T13:21:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/?p=38158"},"modified":"2018-07-31T09:21:14","modified_gmt":"2018-07-31T13:21:14","slug":"was-jonahs-whale-a-submarine-on-the-bible-and-science-fiction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/lovejoyfeminism\/2018\/07\/was-jonahs-whale-a-submarine-on-the-bible-and-science-fiction.html","title":{"rendered":"Was Jonah&#8217;s Whale a Submarine? On the Bible and Science Fiction."},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Thanks to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2018\/07\/jonah-and-the-ancient-aliens-submarine.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">James McGrath\u2019s blog<\/a>, I recently came upon an interpretation of the story of Jonah and the whale that I had never heard before\u2014namely, that the \u201cwhale\u201d was some sort of technologically advanced submarine. Ancient Origins, the website promoting this idea, appears to be a website that deals in conspiracy theories about the origins of the earth, drawing on archeology and mythology to do so. Still, I found this interpretation fascinating\u2014I\u2019ll explain why in a moment.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ancient-origins.net\/myths-legends\/story-jonah-00160\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">First, have a look<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Assuming that the references in the Bible are not \u2018fairy tales\u2019 and are based on true events, it is obvious that no one could survive inside a whale for three full days, causing <a href=\"https:\/\/lotgk.wordpress.com\/2007\/11\/16\/jonah-and-the-whale\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">many<\/a> to assume the \u2018whale\u2019 was some kind of technologically advanced craft. Could it have been a spacecraft, even a submarine?<\/strong> Let us travel back thousands of years to a time when there was no technology and ask ourselves how an advanced, modern vehicle would have been perceived and described using the limited terms and references the civilization had. <strong>Is it not obvious that an airplane would have been perceived as a shiny, metallic bird, or a perhaps a chariot of fire?<\/strong> Similarly, isn\u2019t it possible that a submarine would have been perceived as a whale, since whales, even then, were the largest mammals in the sea?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The author of the article posited not only that Jonah\u2019s whale was an advanced technological submarine but also that the \u201cchariot of fire\u201d in which God took people up to heaven in the Old Testament was some sort of airplane.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s whats fascinating: fundamentalist and conservative evangelical Christians would completely balk at these interpretations\u2014Jonah\u2019s whale was a <em>whale<\/em> and the chariot of fire was <em>a chariot of fire<\/em>\u2014but the reality is that <em>they do the same thing<\/em>. They, too, read into obscure or odd passages the things that they want to see.<\/p>\n<p>Consider the behemoth and the leviathan, for example. As explained by Answers in Genesis, a prominent young earth creationist organization:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Two great creatures, <strong>behemoth<\/strong> and <strong>leviathan<\/strong>, are described by God in Job<span class=\"js-canadianPeriod\">. <\/span>Some commentators have suggested behemoth was an elephant or hippo but the description simply doesn\u2019t match (e.g<span class=\"js-canadianPeriod\">. <\/span>behemoth \u201cmoves his \u201ctail like a cedar\u201d)<span class=\"js-canadianPeriod\">. <\/span><strong>It\u2019s appears God is describing a sauropod dinosaur and a fearsome now-extinct sea creature.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The Bible does not say these creatures were dinosaurs. Nowhere does the Bible mention dinosaurs. As Answers in Genesis notes, the traditional assumption has been that the behemoth was an elephant or a hippo, or some similar creature.<\/p>\n<p>Have a look at Job\u2019s description of the behemoth:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Job 40: 15-24<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">15\u00a0\u201cBehold, Behemoth,<br>\nwhich I made as I made you;<br>\nhe eats grass like an ox.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">16\u00a0Behold, his strength in his loins,<br>\nand his power in the muscles of his belly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">17\u00a0 He makes his tail stiff like a cedar;<br>\nthe sinews of his thighs are knit together.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">18\u00a0 His bones are tubes of bronze,<br>\nhis limbs like bars of iron.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">19\u00a0 \u201cHe is the first of the works of God;<br>\nlet him who made him bring near his sword!<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">20\u00a0 For the mountains yield food for him<br>\nwhere all the wild beasts play.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">21\u00a0Under the lotus plants he lies,<br>\nin the shelter of the reeds and in the marsh.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">22\u00a0 For his shade the lotus trees cover him;<br>\nthe willows of the brook surround him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">23\u00a0Behold, if the river is turbulent he is not frightened;<br>\nhe is confident though Jordan rushes against his mouth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"lang-en\">24\u00a0 Can one take him by his eyes,<br>\nor pierce his nose with a snare?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Young earth creationists read into the passage when they conclude that the behemoth was a sauropod. Why do they do this? They do this because they believe that dinosaurs and man coexisted. Because they believe that, they see dinosaurs even in passages that seemingly have nothing to do with dinosaurs, because they are looking for dinosaurs.<\/p>\n<p>Like those at Answers in Genesis with their predisposition to believe in the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs, those at Ancient Origins and the History Channel (which also promoted the theory of whale as submarine) are often predisposed to believe in aliens, and in their possible interventions on earth both now and in earth\u2019s history. The result is that when they look at ancient writings, including the books of the Old Testament, they see alien submarines and airplanes.<\/p>\n<p>In some sense, each of these groups is peddling in science fiction\u2014young earth creationists with their ideas about dinosaurs and humans coexisting, technologically advanced prehistoric civilizations, global floods, towers, and languages and so forth, and ancient history alien theory believers with their ideas about aliens communicating with ancient cultures.<\/p>\n<p><b>I have a <\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/lovejoyfeminism\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><b>Patreon<\/b><\/a><b>! Please support my writing!<\/b><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In some sense, each of these groups is peddling in science fiction&#8212;young earth creationists with their ideas about dinosaurs and humans coexisting, technologically advanced prehistoric civilizations, global floods, towers, and languages and so forth, and ancient history alien theory believers with their ideas about aliens communicating with ancient cultures.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Click through to read more!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":845,"featured_media":38161,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[157,183,14],"class_list":["post-38158","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-creationism","tag-history","tag-science"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Was Jonah&#039;s Whale a Submarine? 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