{"id":1214,"date":"2024-04-08T18:38:16","date_gmt":"2024-04-08T22:38:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveopensdoors\/?p=1214"},"modified":"2024-04-08T18:38:16","modified_gmt":"2024-04-08T22:38:16","slug":"a-creedal-faith-after-deconstruction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveopensdoors\/2024\/04\/a-creedal-faith-after-deconstruction\/","title":{"rendered":"A Creedal Faith After Deconstruction"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_1217\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1217\" style=\"width: 200px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1217\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/2129\/2024\/04\/gnarlytree-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1217\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Old Tree<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I am currently teaching an Intro to Philosophy Course at our local community college, as I have done a lot of intellectual work preparing for this class, it has inspired a lot of creativity. I will be writing a series of essays around some philosophical concepts each week. Here is a link to my first of these essays:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveopensdoors\/2024\/04\/who-we-can-love\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveopensdoors\/2024\/04\/who-we-can-love\/<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What is a Creedal Faith<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">A creedal faith is one that declares a certain set of beliefs based on a statement of the shared beliefs of a community in a form which is structured by subjects which summarize its core tenets. For Christians, creeds define the boundaries of what we believe. They serve as our identification. Creeds are not limited to religion. Schools around the world have their alma maters, military units have their creeds and secret societies have their creedos. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">As we will see in the next paragraph though, our beliefs can be fluid and changing. With change comes conflict. Today, with the rise of non-religiously affiliated, it may be easy to think that one can\u2019t have a creedal faith. I would challenge and disagree. I later in this essay suggest a Platonist (<a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/plato\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/plato\/<\/a><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">)<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0dialogue with oneself to determine what one agrees to believe in. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jacques Derrida and Deconstruction<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">We are hearing a lot of chatter and seeing a lot of literature these days concerning the act of deconstruction, especially from a faith perspective. Indeed, it seems that the number of people who identify as not religiously affiliated or \u201cnones\u201d is increasing. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The idea of asking questions about our faith is not a new phenomenon nor is the idea of deconstruction. The philosopher Jacques Derrida is considered the main thinker of this concept. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">According to Pragati Kalive (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sociologygroup.com\/deconstruction-theory\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/www.sociologygroup.com\/deconstruction-theory\/<\/a><\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sociologygroup.com\/deconstruction-theory\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">\/<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> )<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Deconstruction theory, derived from the works of philosopher Jacques Derrida, is a theory <\/span> <span data-contrast=\"auto\">of literary analysis that opposes the assumptions of structuralism. Its primary purpose is to <\/span> <span data-contrast=\"auto\">discern the relationship between text and meaning (Kalive, 2021)<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559731\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Deconstruction for Derrida was a means to explore the relationship between text and meaning. His work \u201casserts that meaning is not static and instead continually evolves and varies across time and space\u201d. (Kalive, 2021)\u00a0This is important linguistically because language is always changing and meaning also changes year to year. For example, the word gay meant something completely different in 1904 than it does in 2024. In biblical studies, contextual criticism is important, and one must consider the socio-political and historical context in which something was written. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559731\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">While I could probably write a whole essay on Derrida\u2019s thoughts on deconstruction, I will end this section by pointing out that Derrida challenges our Western assumptions of binaries. I would add that we need to consider earlier forms of Platonist dialogue and consider instead of binaries, what something is or who someone is. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559731\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">A Creedal Faith After Deconstruction<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">If we consider then how our language changes as our society changes, that our language and its meaning is always in a state of flux and we apply the structure I have provided, reimagining Wesley\u2019s Quadrilateral, then I think we can have a creedal faith after deconstruction. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Almost every morning, I pray the hours and the Apostle\u2019s Creed is part of these hours. It was in a recent reflection that I came up with this post idea. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0But do I still believe or affirm everything that this creed contains? Absolutely not. So many of my life experiences have left me questioning or even rejecting the <em>language<\/em> of the creed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The original Apostle\u2019s Creed\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I believe in God,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">the Father almighty,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Creator of heaven and earth,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">born of the Virgin Mary,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">suffered under Pontius Pilate,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">was crucified, died and was buried;<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">he descended into hell;<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">on the third day he rose again from the dead;<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">he ascended into heaven,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I believe in the Holy Spirit,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">the holy catholic Church,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">the communion of saints,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">the forgiveness of sins,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">the resurrection of the body,<\/span><br>\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">and life everlasting.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Amen.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In my version, I drop much of the patriarchal and imperialistic language of this creed. I also drop some of the mythos around Jesus. In my current walk, I feel that we are too wrapped up in Jesus\u2019 divinity to the point that we don\u2019t focus on his humanity.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Wesley\u2019s Quadrilateral<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Approaching this from John Wesley\u2019s point of view, we consider what the bible, tradition,\u00a0reason and finally what experience tells us about our faith. The problem is that Wesley conceived this concept in the 18<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">th<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> century and for many modern people, especially for the audience this essay is intended for, little or none of what is listed in the creed above may have any relevance, though here is where we can begin. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4 style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Richard Rohr Drops Reason<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559731\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Rohr drops reason. Rohr considers his model a tricycle and focuses on tradition, scripture and experience. He says that we spent 500 years trying to be rational without being rational. Rohr tells us that experience drives the bike and is backed up by tradition and scripture. It is felt that this gives us a better way to deconstruct our faith. In our world today, experiences are everything. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559731\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4 style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Relativism Instead of Reason<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":720,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I want to introduce for the sake of argument that alongside of experience, we must consider relativism. In our deeply polarized world today, it is felt that at the moment, there are just some issues that we are not going to agree on. Experience and Relativism allow one to fully own their faith. Faith is simply a subjective experience of divine reality.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">A place of spiritual maturity understands this and when one accomplishes this, we can live together with more peace. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>If you are lost on your path to faith. If you still want to believe, but are not sure how or if you can, understand that you are on the right path. Faith is not absolute and unchangeable. Faith changes as you change. Your language of faith changes as you change. Spiritual maturity is a lengthy process that seldom accomplish. Stay to the path, discern and discover.<\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Reference<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Kalive , P. (2021, July 22). <\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jacque Derrida\u2019s Deconstruction Theory \u2013 Explained<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. Sociology Group. Retrieved April 8, 2024, from\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sociologygroup.com\/deconstruction-theory\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/www.sociologygroup.com\/deconstruction-theory\/<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Rohr, R. (n.d.). <\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Another Way to See the Bible: Lesson 4 The Tricycle: Scripture, Tradition, Experience<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. Retrieved April 8, 2024, from\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/cac.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/The-Bible_Lesson-4_The-Tricycle-Scripture-Experience-and-Tradition.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/cac.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/The-Bible_Lesson-4_The-Tricycle-Scripture-Experience-and-Tradition.pdf<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Turner , C. (2016, May 27). <\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jacques Derrida: Deconstruction<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. CLT. Retrieved April 8, 2024, from\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/criticallegalthinking.com\/2016\/05\/27\/jacques-derrida-deconstruction\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/criticallegalthinking.com\/2016\/05\/27\/jacques-derrida-deconstruction\/<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (n.d.). <\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Apostles\u2019 Creed<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. Retrieved April 8, 2024, from\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.usccb.org\/prayers\/apostles-creed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/www.usccb.org\/prayers\/apostles-creed<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I am currently teaching an Intro to Philosophy Course at our local community college, as I have done a lot of intellectual work preparing for this class, it has inspired a lot of creativity. I will be writing a series of essays around some philosophical concepts each week. 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