{"id":2321,"date":"2025-03-14T09:35:48","date_gmt":"2025-03-14T13:35:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveopensdoors\/?p=2321"},"modified":"2025-03-14T09:35:48","modified_gmt":"2025-03-14T13:35:48","slug":"the-importance-of-church-in-a-post-church-world","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/loveopensdoors\/2025\/03\/the-importance-of-church-in-a-post-church-world\/","title":{"rendered":"The Importance of Church in a Post Church World\u00a0  \u00a0"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">We are social creatures. We thrive when we are in community and community is one of the events that makes us human. Community challenges us to grow spiritually, physically, emotionally and mentally. This week, I want to explore John Wesley\u2019s ordinance of God that focuses on public worship and reflect on Dietrich Bonhoeffer\u2019s book, \u201cLife Together\u201d. I want to demonstrate why public worship and public gatherings of engagement for faith and intellectual development is crucial for our own personal growth, but also for the growth of communities. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In the last several years, we have heard more and more about the loneliness and meaning crisis. In one <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.standard.co.uk\/news\/uk\/study-gen-z-dictatorship-channel-four-b1207319.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">report<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> last week from the United Kingdom, it was reported that young people are now gravitating towards authoritarian or even willing to have a dictator governing them partially as a response to these crises. This growing trend towards authoritarianism is alarming and speaks volumes about the deep-seated yearning for community and belonging that is being left unaddressed. For many, the church has historically been a sanctuary where this need for connection, purpose, and support is met. In re-examining John Wesley\u2019s ordinance of God alongside Bonhoeffer\u2019s reflections, we can see that public worship and gatherings are more than just rituals; they are vital lifelines in the face of growing societal fragmentation. These sacred spaces foster relationships, nurture our spirits, and provide a framework within which we can engage intellectually and emotionally. As such, the church remains an indispensable pillar in a world increasingly marked by solitude and disillusionment.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">18 Years Old<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134245418\":true,\"134245529\":true,\"335559738\":360,\"335559739\":80}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">A client last week inquired about my experiences with contemplation and mindfulness. I briefly gave him my \u201ccall story\u201d. I spent two years from age 18 to 20 considering joining a monastic community and living alongside an intentional community as I was discerning my call to professional ministry in the Catholic church. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">My formation director instructed me while I was in college considering our undergraduate seminary to go to morning chapel daily, arriving an hour early to pray the rosary. I was to go to afternoon chapel and say compline before bed. I was to take meals with the seminarians and was invited to various events at the seminary. Here, I learned to pray in a contemplative manner, learned more about the Catholic faith beyond what I knew growing up. I also had an undeclared minor in Catholic theology. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">This would all change in 1998 when I met my now wife. Offering me leftover tacos and being a pretty red head, I left my plans to join the monastery and created a life with her. While I never joined the Benedictines formally as a monastic, I would later join as an <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/eriebenedictines.org\/community\/oblates\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">oblate<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> first with St. Vincent\u2019s in Latrobe, Pa and later with Mount Saint Benedict in Erie, Pa. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">According to the Mount Saint Benedict website, <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201c<\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Relationships are at the heart of a Benedictine spirituality: one\u2019s relationship with <\/span><\/i> <i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">God, with others, and with all of creation. Benedictines believe that the community \u2013 a <\/span><\/i> <i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">monastery, a family, a parish, etc. \u2013 is where we meet God and discover the fullness of <\/span><\/i> <i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">life. It is the laboratory wherein we learn to grow into the loving person God calls us <\/span><\/i> <i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">to be. The community is where we pray together, listen to one another, and serve each <\/span><\/i> <i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">other as needed. These elements of prayer, listening, and service form the monastic <\/span><\/i> <i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">heart.<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201d<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">My two years with St. Mark\u2019s and overall, my four years at Gannon University taught me a lot about living in an intentional community. I was very involved in our campus ministry program, having meals together every Tuesday night and going on several immersion trips throughout my four years. These moments would shape me spiritually, emotionally and mentally and create the middle-aged contemplative I have become today. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">John Wesley on the Church<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134245418\":true,\"134245529\":true,\"335559738\":360,\"335559739\":80}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In his sermon, \u201c<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/wesley.nnu.edu\/john-wesley\/the-sermons-of-john-wesley-1872-edition\/sermon-74-of-the-church\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">On the Church<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201d emphasized that the church <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">is not just a building, but rather a body of people united in the service of God. <\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> Reflecting on the Epistle of Paul, Paul\u2019s letter to the Ephesians, Wesley centers in on the theme of unity. Here, Paul and then Wesley points to the unity of the Church, grounded in \u201cone Spirit,\u201d \u201cone hope,\u201d \u201cone Lord,\u201d \u201cone faith,\u201d \u201cone baptism,\u201d and \u201cone God and Father of all.\u201d He explains how the true church is a body of believers that are unified by the holy spirit.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">While this sermon illustrates the division between the church as building and church as the people of God, it does not give us insight as to what life together would look like. For this, we turn to Dietrich Bonhoeffer. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u201cLife Together\u201d<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134245418\":true,\"134245529\":true,\"335559738\":360,\"335559739\":80}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">To get an idea on how to do community, let us turn to Dietrich Bonhoeffer\u2019s book, \u201cLife Together\u201d. Written during a time of intense persecution under the Nazi regime, the book reflects on the essential nature of communal Christian life and its importance in a world torn apart, one marked by isolation and individualism. It is felt that the parallels to 2025 are profound and are much needed word in a world of loneliness and meaninglessness. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Community, Scripture, grace, dangers of idealization, grace, solitude and community and daily practice all play central themes in the book. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">For Bonhoeffer, community is not something we create but a gift from God. It is a divine reality into which we are called.\u00a0He argues that true Christian community is grounded in Christ and his Word. Scripture then is the foundation of the community that provides genuine fellowship and mutual encouragement. When I am doing couples or family work, I often talk about the necessity of mutuality. He stresses the importance of shared Bible study, prayer, and meditation.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Much like my early experiences with the seminary and monastery, Bonhoeffer outlines practical aspects of communal life, including: \u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"\uf0b7\" data-font=\"Symbol\" data-listid=\"3\" data-list-defn-props='{\"335552541\":1,\"335559683\":0,\"335559684\":-2,\"335559685\":720,\"335559991\":360,\"469769226\":\"Symbol\",\"469769242\":[8226],\"469777803\":\"left\",\"469777804\":\"\uf0b7\",\"469777815\":\"hybridMultilevel\"}' aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"1\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Morning and Evening Devotions: Shared times of prayer and scripture reading.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"\uf0b7\" data-font=\"Symbol\" data-listid=\"3\" data-list-defn-props='{\"335552541\":1,\"335559683\":0,\"335559684\":-2,\"335559685\":720,\"335559991\":360,\"469769226\":\"Symbol\",\"469769242\":[8226],\"469777803\":\"left\",\"469777804\":\"\uf0b7\",\"469777815\":\"hybridMultilevel\"}' aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"2\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Table Fellowship: Sharing meals as a symbol of unity and fellowship.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"\uf0b7\" data-font=\"Symbol\" data-listid=\"3\" data-list-defn-props='{\"335552541\":1,\"335559683\":0,\"335559684\":-2,\"335559685\":720,\"335559991\":360,\"469769226\":\"Symbol\",\"469769242\":[8226],\"469777803\":\"left\",\"469777804\":\"\uf0b7\",\"469777815\":\"hybridMultilevel\"}' aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"3\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Mutual Service: Serving one another in humility and love.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"\uf0b7\" data-font=\"Symbol\" data-listid=\"3\" data-list-defn-props='{\"335552541\":1,\"335559683\":0,\"335559684\":-2,\"335559685\":720,\"335559991\":360,\"469769226\":\"Symbol\",\"469769242\":[8226],\"469777803\":\"left\",\"469777804\":\"\uf0b7\",\"469777815\":\"hybridMultilevel\"}' aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"4\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Confession and Forgiveness: Practicing honest confession and offering forgiveness as a means of healing and restoration.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Pop culture will romantize monastery life whether it is in Asian\/Indic practice or Abrahamic tradition. The reality cannot be farther from the truth. Often you are in community with some people you like, many that may get on your nerves. In my tradition, prayer and work or ora et labora are central themes to the work that we are taught. Going to mass throughout the day and praying all the time, living a structured life can be stifling and looking back, I realize that maybe that was not the life for me. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Bonhoeffer cautions against romanticizing or idealizing community. He acknowledges that conflict and imperfection are inevitable.\u00a0He warns against the danger of confusing human desire for a perfect community with the real, messy, and grace-filled community that God provides. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The other aspect that is often overlooked are notion of solitude and community. We may think that the two cannot coexist, but Bonhoeffer explores the relationship between solitude and community. He argues that both are essential for spiritual growth. Solitude allows us to deepen our relationship with God, while community provides the context for expressing and living out our faith.<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Finally, the book is permeated with the idea of God\u2019s grace. That it is only through God\u2019s grace that true community can exist. Grace is a hallmark of my Wesleyan tradition, and I could not agree more. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span data-contrast=\"none\">In Closing<\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I am a bit old school. I still think the church is a solid institution for not only personal and spiritual growth but also for community growth spiritual enrichment. The Church has lost its way over the last 50 years. Bad theology, magnetic but abusive personalities and the hyprocrisy that Jesus warned us about when he called the church leaders \u201cwhitewashed tombs\u201d have turned many away. I envision a church where anyone is welcome, one that is open to all the dangerous questions and does not have a right answer to any of them. A church where all sinners feel welcome. We need less nones and more somes. <\/span><span data-ccp-props='{\"134233117\":false,\"134233118\":false,\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559685\":0,\"335559737\":0,\"335559738\":0,\"335559739\":160,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-ccp-props='{\"201341983\":0,\"335551550\":1,\"335551620\":1,\"335559740\":360}'>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We are social creatures. We thrive when we are in community and community is one of the events that makes us human. Community challenges us to grow spiritually, physically, emotionally and mentally. 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