{"id":581,"date":"2011-05-03T20:49:58","date_gmt":"2011-05-04T01:49:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/?page_id=581"},"modified":"2011-05-03T21:10:05","modified_gmt":"2011-05-04T02:10:05","slug":"unmasking-the-jesus-seminar","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/series\/unmasking-the-jesus-seminar\/","title":{"rendered":"Unmasking the Jesus Seminar"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><strong><br>\n<\/strong><br>\n<strong><br>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>Unmasking the Jesus Seminar:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>A Critique of Its Methods and Conclusions<br>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">by Dr. Mark D. Roberts<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">Copyright \u00a9 2005 by Mark D. Roberts<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">Note:  You may download this resource at no cost, for personal use or  for use  in a Christian ministry, as long as you are not publishing it  for sale.   All I ask is that you acknowledge the source of this  material: <a href=\"..\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/<\/a>. For all other  uses, please contact me at <a href=\"mailto:mark@markdroberts.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">mark@markdroberts.com<\/a>. Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong> <\/strong><br>\n<strong><br>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert W. Funk and the Jesus Seminar<\/strong><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Robert W. Funk made his  greatest mark on the world, not through his  academic efforts, but  through his leadership of the Westar Institute,  which he founded in  1985. This institute, though seemingly an academic  think-tank, was in  fact an agenda-driven effort to undermine orthodox  Christianity. In  saying this, I am not dishonoring the memory of Robert  Funk, but in fact  preserving his memory. As you\u2019ll see later in this  post, and in  tomorrow\u2019s as well, Funk was quite clear about his  anti-Christian  agenda.<\/p>\n<p>Funk\u2019s most successful creation was the Jesus  Seminar, a group of  scholars and others (including film director Paul  Verhoeven, who made  such religious classics as <em>Basic Instinct<\/em> and <em>Showgirls<\/em>)   who took it upon themselves to decide what Jesus really said and did.   They made presentations and voted by use of different colored beads.   This enterprise, though apparently objective, was in fact a stacked deck   from the beginning. After all, Robert Funk himself determined who was   in the Seminar and who wasn\u2019t. If you knew anything about New Testament   scholarship, you could see from the configuration of Jesus Seminar   fellows that they were going to end up with a very minimal Jesus at   best. (In fact seven of the fellows were colleagues of mine in grad   school at Harvard.)<\/p>\n<p>It was obvious from the beginning that Funk\u2019s agenda for The Jesus Seminar was not consistent with classical Christianity. He <a href=\"http:\/\/www.westarinstitute.org\/Seminars\/remarks.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">said so himself<\/a> in the very first meeting of the Seminar:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Those of us who work with that hypothetical middle  [between creation and the end of all things] \u2014Jesus of Nazareth\u2014are hard  pressed to concoct any form of coherence that will unite beginning,  middle, and end in some grand new fiction that will meet all the  requirements of narrative. To put the matter bluntly, we are having as  much trouble with the middle\u2014the messiah\u2014as we are with the terminal  points. What we need is a new fiction that takes as its starting point  the central event in the Judeo-Christian drama and reconciles that  middle with a new story that reaches beyond old beginnings and endings. <em>In  sum, we need a new narrative of Jesus, a new gospel, if you will, that  places Jesus differently in the grand scheme, the epic story<\/em>. (italics mine)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>When somebody asks for a new gospel, implying that the  classic Christian gospel is insufficient, you know you\u2019ve left orthodoxy  far beyond. In Funk\u2019s new gospel, Jesus doesn\u2019t fare so well. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.westarinstitute.org\/Periodicals\/4R_Articles\/funk_theses.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">At another time<\/a> Robert Funk said this about Jesus:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We should give Jesus a demotion. It is no longer  credible to think of Jesus as divine. Jesus\u2019 divinity goes together with  the old theistic way of thinking about God.<\/p>\n<p>The plot early Christians invented for a divine  redeemer figure is as archaic as the mythology in which it is framed. A  Jesus who drops down out of heaven, performs some magical act that frees  human beings from the power of sin, rises from the dead, and returns to  heaven is simply no longer credible. The notion that he will return at  the end of time and sit in cosmic judgment is equally incredible. We  must find a new plot for a more credible Jesus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, though the Jesus Seminar gathered a number of  scholars, and though some of its methods were the stuff of critical  scholarship, and though some of the fellows are fine biblical scholars,  the Seminar itself was not a truly academic exercise. It was, in fact, a  carefully-contrived effort to erode classic Christian faith.<\/p>\n<p>And it was, above all, a brilliant PR scheme. Robert  Funk managed to convince the mainstream media that he and his fellows  were discovering once and for all what Jesus really said and did. For  several years Funk was omnipresent in newspapers and on television  programs, assuring us that Jesus never really said most of what is  attributed to him in the gospels, and that he didn\u2019t rise from the dead,  and that orthodox Christianity is completely wrong in almost everything  it believes about Jesus. Funk explained all of this soberly, allowing  the public to believe that the Jesus Seminar was a theologically-neutral  effort of well-meaning scholars to discover the truth about Jesus. By  perpetuating this image, quite in contrast to his more honest remarks in  meetings of the Jesus Seminar, Funk was less than fully candid. But the  secular media, predictably enough, swallowed Funk\u2019s bait, hook, line,  and sinker. For years we saw stories about how the Jesus Seminar  concluded that Jesus didn\u2019t say much of what is attributed to him in the  gospels, and that He didn\u2019t actually rise from the dead. (Gasp! What a  surprised conclusion!)<\/p>\n<p>Finally, the Jesus Seminar ran its course, as it ran  out of things about Jesus to debunk. Though the Seminar continues to  meet, and sponsors programs in a few churches (!), it has largely  disappeared from the public eye. It did launch the careers of several  scholars who continue to pontificate on the \u201chistorical\u201d Jesus, however,  prolific folk like Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan. (I should note  that some of the fellows of The Jesus Seminar were serious scholars  whose reasonable voices were drowned in the sea of Funk\u2019s agenda. I have  a friend, a highly critical scholar, in fact, who was once a member of  the Seminar, but was \u201cfired\u201d by Funk when he complained that the Seminar  process was an intellectual sham.)<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps you think I\u2019m being too hard on Robert Funk,  and am exaggerating his anti-Christian agenda. Tomorrow I\u2019ll provide  even more evidence that reveals Funk\u2019s broader vision, evidence from his  own pen, in fact, evidence that Funk himself didn\u2019t hide, but rather  boldly proclaimed (and posted on the Internet). You\u2019ll see just how  eager he was to displace orthodox Christianity with something altogether  different.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Radical Vision of Robert Funk<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In yesterday\u2019s post I noted recent death of Robert W.  Funk, founder of the Westar Institute and its famous (infamous!?) Jesus  Seminar. I claimed that Funk put together the Seminar as a part of his  plan to derail orthodox Christianity, including and especially classic  Christian understanding of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re unfamiliar  with my writing, or if you\u2019re unfamiliar with  the work of Robert Funk,  you may think me overly critical, perhaps even  inexcusably hyperbolic.  Did Funk really want to overthrow Christian  orthodoxy? Wasn\u2019t he just a  scholar who came up with some ideas about  Jesus that are uncomfortable  for orthodox Christians like me? Can I  defend my claims about Funk\u2019s  anti-Christian agenda?<\/p>\n<p>Yes, indeed I can. Easily, in fact, by using Robert Funk\u2019s own words. In 1998 he wrote a short paper entitled <a href=\"http:\/\/www.westarinstitute.org\/Periodicals\/4R_Articles\/Funk_Theses\/funk_theses.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>\u201cThe Coming Radical Reformation.\u201d<\/em><\/a> This paper included 21 theses (without arguments) that encapsulate   Funk\u2019s vision for the future of Christianity (or the end of   Christianity). Two of those theses I included in my last post on Funk   (the ones about demoting Jesus). In this post I\u2019ll reproduce several   more of Funk\u2019s theses:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. The God of the metaphysical  age is dead. There is not a personal god out there external to human  beings and the material world. We must reckon with a deep crisis in god  talk and replace it with talk about whether the universe has meaning and  whether human life has purpose.<\/p>\n<p>4. The notion that God  interferes with the order of nature from time to time in order to aid or  punish is no longer credible, in spite of the fact that most people  still believe it. Miracles are an affront to the justice and integrity  of God, however understood. Miracles are conceivable only as the  inexplicable; otherwise they contradict the regularity of the order of  the physical universe.<\/p>\n<p>5. Prayer is meaningless when  understood as requests addressed to an external God for favor or  forgiveness and meaningless if God does not interfere with the laws of  nature. Prayer as praise is a remnant of the age of kingship in the  ancient Near East and is beneath the dignity of deity. Prayer should be  understood principally as meditation\u2014as listening rather than  talking\u2014and as attention to the needs of neighbor.<\/p>\n<p>9. The doctrine of the  atonement\u2014the claim that God killed his own son in order to satisfy his  thirst for satisfaction\u2014is subrational and subethical. This monstrous  doctrine is the stepchild of a primitive sacrificial system in which the  gods had to be appeased by offering them some special gift, such as a  child or an animal.<\/p>\n<p>10. The resurrection of Jesus  did not involve the resuscitation of a corpse. Jesus did not rise from  the dead, except perhaps in some metaphorical sense. The meaning of the  resurrection is that a few of his followers\u2014probably no more than two or  three\u2014finally came to understand what he was all about. When the  significance of his words and deeds dawned on them, they knew of no  other terms in which to express their amazement than to claim that they  had seen him alive.<\/p>\n<p>20. The Bible does not contain  fixed, objective standards of behavior that should govern human behavior  for all time. This includes the ten commandments as well as the  admonitions of Jesus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As you can well imagine, I don\u2019t agree with much of this. In fact, I think there are only two sentences here that I can affirm:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The notion that God interferes  with the order of nature from time to time in order to aid or punish is  no longer credible, in spite of the fact that most people still believe  it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think that to speak of God \u201cinterfering\u201d with the  order of nature is a theologically mistaken way to think of the world.  Rather, I believe that God is regularly and profoundly involved in this  world, including the order of nature. My problem is with the notion of  \u201cinterfering.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The resurrection of Jesus did not involve the resuscitation of a corpse.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I agree with this statement, and so do most orthodox  Christians. What happened to Jesus was far more than merely a  \u201cresuscitation of a corpse.\u201d See 1 Corinthians 15, for example. But I do  believe, contra Funk, that the body of Jesus really did come out of the  tomb, experiencing something far more wonderful and transcendent than  resuscitation.<\/p>\n<p>You can see in Funk\u2019s theses what lies behind the  Westar Institute and the mission of the Jesus Seminar. To his credit,  Funk laid his cards on the table in \u201cThe Coming Radical Reformation.\u201d  Many scholars who share his theological agenda keep their personal  opinions secret, realizing that knowledge of what they believe would  undermine their scholarly credibility. When he was dealing with the  secular press, however, Funk did not explain how the Jesus Seminar was  part and parcel of his larger theological vision. Rather, the Seminar  wore a mask of scholarly objectivity and dispassionate scientific  inquiry. It\u2019s this mask that I am attempting to take off in this series.<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s pretty obvious that Robert W. Funk wasn\u2019t  exactly a big fan of Christian orthodoxy. But now that he has passed  from this life into the next, he knows the truth, whatever it may be. Of  course if his worldview is correct, he knows nothing at all, since he  didn\u2019t seem to believe in an afterlife. But I happen to think that  Robert Funk has now seen the Lord \u201cface to face,\u201d even as he once saw as  if in a mirror, \u201cdimly,\u201d indeed, very dimly (1 Corinthians 13:12).<\/p>\n<p>My gratitude for Robert W. Funk is rather limited. His  early academic work did help me in mine, especially his translating of  the NT grammar book which I have used for dozens of hours, maybe  hundreds. His later efforts having to do with Jesus haven\u2019t helped me  directly, though they have forced me to sharpen my own thinking about  Jesus. For this I am grateful. I only wish such a fine mind had been  employed for the sake of the genuine gospel, rather than for the sake of  replacing it with Funk\u2019s new revised version of the gospel.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Jesus Seminar: What I Expected<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I first heard about the Jesus Seminar in the late  1980\u2019s. I was back at Harvard meeting with one of my New Testament  professors to discuss my Ph.D. dissertation. For some reason, he started  talking about the Jesus Seminar. When I confessed that I didn\u2019t know  what he was talking about, he spouted \u201cIt\u2019s #*!&amp;*!,\u201d using a word  that won\u2019t appear in my blog.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"351\">This professor, you  must understand, was by no means an evangelical or conservative  Christian. Liberal in theology, he was also a highly critical New  Testament scholar who approached the question of the historical Jesus  with what I would call \u201cacute skepticism.\u201d So his difference with the  Jesus Seminar was not the sort that one might find among evangelicals  who have a high regard for the historicity of the gospels. Rather, my  professor thought it was #*!&amp;*! to think that one could determine  what Jesus really said by getting a bunch of academics together in a  room and voting.\n<p>Though I knew relatively little about the Jesus  Seminar at this time, I had pretty clear expectations about how it  would approach the whole question of what Jesus said and did. I figured  that the Seminar would deal with the historical Jesus in the mode that  was common in secular New Testament scholarship.<\/p><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/HarvardDivinity-t.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"216\" height=\"147\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"36\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"217\">\n<div>\n<p>Harvard  Divinity School, where I spent most of my time while earning my Ph.D.  in New Testament, and which produced at least 10% of the fellows in the  Jesus Seminar, though none on the Harvard faculty joined the Seminar.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>This mode included two crucial parts. Part 1 was <em>extreme skepticism<\/em> about the historical reliability of the New Testament gospels. For  decades it had been common for non-conservative biblical scholars to  assume \u2013 often without argument or evidence \u2013 that much of what appears  on the lips of Jesus in the biblical gospels was made up by the early  church. There are lots of reasons for this bias, which I don\u2019t have time  to explain now. But it meant, for example, that when the Gospel of Mark  attributes a certain saying to Jesus, many scholars had an a priori  inclination to believe that Jesus did <em>not<\/em> say what he appears  to have said. In the case of the historical accuracy of the biblical  gospels, it was \u201cGuilty until proven innocent,\u201d and not the other way  around. Given the constituency of the Jesus Seminar, I expected that  extreme skepticism would be rule of the day, and I was right in a way.  But, in another way, I was quite wrong, because at many times the  Seminar operated with almost na\u00efve faith in the authenticity of certain  sayings of Jesus. I\u2019ll explain what I mean later.<\/p>\n<p>The second element of New Testament scholarship on Jesus that I expected to find in the Jesus Seminar was faithful reliance on <em>the criterion of dissimilarity<\/em>.  This criterion was developed by New Testament scholars in the middle of  the 20th century, as a response to the hyper-skepticism that dominated  studies of Jesus at that time. Whereas many scholars argued that we  couldn\u2019t really know if Jesus actually said anything attributed to him  in the gospels, other critical scholars devised a way to show how  certain sayings almost surely came from Jesus himself. This way was the  criterion of dissimilarity. It ran something like this: If a saying of  Jesus doesn\u2019t sound like something in Jesus\u2019s Jewish culture or  religion, and if it doesn\u2019t sound like something that was common in the  early Christian church, then it may well have come from Jesus himself.<\/p>\n<p>I must confess that I\u2019m not a big fan of the criterion  of dissimilarity, though it can help severe skeptics find sayings of  Jesus that they can believe to be authentic. The problem is, however,  that what\u2019s left after you apply the criterion of dissimilarity is  authentic, but distorted.<\/p>\n<p>Think about it for a moment. If you consider any  influential leader of history \u2013 and surely Jesus should fit into that  category \u2013 you\u2019d expect that person to reflect in many ways the ideas  and language of his or her age. Moreover, you\u2019d expect that this  person\u2019s followers would pick up on a number of his or her ideas, even  if they changed, misunderstood, or added to them. So if you take away  from Jesus that which he shared with Judaism of His day, and if you take  away that which the early Christians picked up from Jesus, you\u2019re left  with something authentic that may, however, misrepresent the heart and  soul of Jesus\u2019s real teaching.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"166\">Let me use a personal  analogy. Suppose someday people are studying my sermons for some strange  reason. And suppose they are doubting whether I really wrote what is  attributed to me. So they decide to take away from my preaching whatever  I share in common with American evangelicals (my theological culture)  and whatever my own church has actually learned and repeated from my  preaching. What would be left? Not much. And you\u2019d completely eliminate  almost everything I consider to be most important about my preaching.<\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Jesus-Dissimilarity-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"432\" height=\"209\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"4\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"434\">\n<div>\n<p>The  montage above exemplifies the problem with using the criterion of  dissimilarity. I began with Sallman\u2019s classic portrait of Jesus. Then I  took away the light brown color, which is rather like taking away  Judaism from Jesus. Then, from this new picture, I took away the dark  brown color, which is like taking away from Jesus that which He holds in  common with the early church. What is left behind is certainly part of  Sallman\u2019s original picture. But the image looks almost nothing like the  original.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>This analogy is rough, of course, if not vainly  self-serving. But it does point out the folly of relying too heavily  upon the criterion of dissimilarity when trying to determine what Jesus  actually said. In the end, you may get authentic stuff, but it\u2019s most  likely that you\u2019ll miss all of the most important stuff.<\/p>\n<p>The Jesus Seminar did employ the criterion of  dissimilarity in places, much as I expected. But it did so far less than  I anticipated, almost to a shocking degree. In fact, rather than  approach the sayings of Jesus with skepticism, and applying the  criterion of dissimilarity with rigor, the Seminar adopted a completely  different, novel approach to Jesus. This approach, oddly enough, ends up  looking a whole lot like the conservative approach to Jesus that the  Seminar writings so often decry.<\/p>\n<p>In my next post I\u2019ll explain how the Jesus Seminar did  in fact approach the sayings of Jesus, with a methodology that I found  quite unexpected.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Jesus Seminar: A Beady Democracy?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When I first heard of the Jesus Seminar, I envisioned  scholars laboring over ancient tomes in library carrels, then presenting  their findings to their colleagues in roundtable discussions, then  debating the minute details of each proposal, and trying to come to a  consensus, though I doubted that a consensus was likely, or even  possible when it came to the question of what Jesus actually said. I  knew that New Testament scholars held a wide range of views on this  matter, and that their conclusions often reflected widely different  starting points.<\/p>\n<p>What I did not picture was a roomful of academics  secretly dropping colored beads into boxes as a way of voting on what  Jesus said or not. But that\u2019s exactly what happened in the Jesus  Seminar. After relatively <em>brief<\/em> presentations on passages from the gospels, and <em>minimal<\/em> debate, the Seminar Fellows voted in secret by using red, pink, gray,  and black beads. This was something I had never imagined, and it seemed  more like a glass bead game than a serious academic exercise.<\/p>\n<p>For one thing, the very notion of a secret vote  impressed me as contrary to the spirit and commitment of academia. If  scholars are known for anything positive, it\u2019s for publicly displaying  their conclusions and their arguments so that they be supported or  critiqued by others. A secret ballot contradicts this principle of  openness and accountability. (I wonder if the secrecy was meant to mask  the fact that the results of each vote were almost always predetermined  by the makeup of the Seminar itself. Why else vote in secret?)<\/p>\n<p>In case you\u2019re unfamiliar with the meaning of the  Seminar\u2019s bead game, let me explain. The beads indicated the extent to  which a scholar believed a certain saying attributed to Jesus to be  uttered by Jesus or not. According to the helpful paraphrase in <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/006063040X\/qid=1126755209\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Five Gospels<\/a><\/em> (the summary of the Jesus Seminar findings written by Robert Funk and Roy Hoover), the beads had the following significance:<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"230\">\n<blockquote><p>red: \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0That\u2019s Jesus!<br>\npink: \u00a0Sure sounds like<br>\nJesus.<br>\ngray: \u00a0Well, maybe.<br>\nblack: There\u2019s been some<br>\nmistake.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then, when the votes were in, they were given  numerical value and averaged, so that each saying of Jesus ended up with  a red, pink, gray, or black color. These results were published in <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>,  with verses printed in the appropriate colors. This was, by the way, an  intentional updating of the \u201cwords of Jesus in red\u201d Bibles of the past.<\/p><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Lords-Prayer-5Gospels-5.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"160\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"12\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"362\">\n<div>Here is how \u201cThe Lord\u2019s Prayer\u201d in Matthew 6 appears in <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>.  The translation is the so-called Scholars Version made by members of  the Jesus Seminar. You can see words in red (surely Jesus), pink  (probably Jesus), gray (maybe Jesus, but probably not), and black (not  Jesus). I guess all we can know for sure is that the Lord\u2019s Prayer was  once even shorter!<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>This voting system wasn\u2019t quite as helpful as it seems,  however. For one thing, it completely masks significant disagreement  among Fellows in the Seminar. If, for example, a certain saying of Jesus  received relatively similar numbers of red, pink, gray, and black  votes, then the correct conclusion would be that there is no scholarly  consensus at all, and it would be important for people outside of the  Seminar to know this. But, in fact, the saying would get a gray vote,  suggesting that the Seminar as a whole had major doubts about whether it  originated with Jesus or not. The reader would be led to believe that  there was scholarly agreement when in fact such harmony was nowhere to  be found. (The clearest case in <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> is Thomas 42,  where the vote was split 20\/30\/30\/20, and was printed in gray, even  though half of the Seminar Fellows regarded the verse as probably or  certainly from Jesus Himself. See <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>, p. 496)<\/p>\n<p>In certain instances, the final color of a saying seems  to be more the result of the bias of the Seminar than its actual  numerical vote. Concerning the parable of the two sons in Matthew  21:28-31, here\u2019s what <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> says, \u201cFifty-eight  percent of the Fellows voted red or pink for the parable, 53 percent for  the saying in v. 31b. A substantial number of gray and black votes  pulled the weighted average into the gray category\u201d (p. 232). So, even  though a solid majority of the Fellows believed that the parable was  probably or certainly from Jesus, the parable is colored in gray. The  power of the minority voting with black beads could obscure the judgment  of the majority.<\/p>\n<p>I know this sounds like nonsense, but it is defended in the \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>.  \u201cBlack votes in particular could readily pull an average down, as  students know who have on \u201cF\u201d along with several \u201cA\u201ds. Yet this  shortcoming seemed consonant with the methodological skepticism that was  a working principle of the Seminar: when in sufficient doubt, leave it  out.\u201d One might add, even if the majority puts it in, sometimes you can  leave it out.<\/p>\n<p>On the surface, the voting scheme of the Seminar  appeared to be fairly objective. Yet, when you peek under the mask of  democratic fairness, here\u2019s what you find:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Robert Funk himself chose the Fellows of the Seminar,  virtually guaranteeing the results he wanted at the outset. But then,  even when a majority of the skeptically-minded Fellows believed that a  saying of Jesus was certainly or probably from Jesus Himself, a minority  could skew the result by voting black. And because the vote was secret,  there was no way for anybody to hold the black-bead voters accountable.  The average person would be led to believe that the Seminar as a whole  held that a saying was probably not from Jesus, even though the truth  was that 1) there was a wide diversity of opinion, and 2) the majority  of Fellows considered the saying to be probably or certainly from Jesus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In sum, the Seminar\u2019s method of voting and reporting on  the authenticity of Jesus\u2019s sayings was fraught with obfuscation and  bias. It suggested a degree of scholarly consensus that was often  nowhere to be found. It precluded the kind of accountability that is  common in academia. And it pressed certain sayings into the gray and  black realm even when the majority of Fellows had regarded them as red  or pink.<\/p>\n<p>The best thing about the beady voting method, however,  was that it captured the imagination of the press. Funk and his Fellows  had devised a lousy way of evaluating the authenticity of Jesus\u2019s  sayings, but a brilliant PR device.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Jesus Seminar: A Circle Dance?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As I explained in yesterday\u2019s post, I was surprised by  the way the Jesus Seminar decided to determine which sayings of Jesus  were authentic. At first glance, the red, pink, gray, and black bead  system seemed innocuous enough, though perhaps a little silly. But upon  deeper inspection, it was fraught with shortcomings. So this was one of  my first unhappy surprises as I investigated the Jesus Seminar.<\/p>\n<p>The next surprise was perhaps even more startling and  disheartening. It came as I read the \u201cIntroduction\u201d to the Jesus  Seminar\u2019s first and most influential work, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/006063040X\/qid=1126755209\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Five Gospels<\/a><\/em>.  Now I fully expected to find the sorts of approaches that were familiar  to me because of my academic work at Harvard. So I wasn\u2019t surprised  when I read things like:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>the gospels are now assumed to be narratives in which  the memory of Jesus is embellished by mythic elements that express the  church\u2019s faith in him, and by plausible fictions that enhance the  telling of the gospel story for first-century listeners who knew about  divine men and miracle workers firsthand. Supposedly historical elements  in these narratives must therefore be demonstrated to be so.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Funk and Hoover, writers of the \u201cIntroduction,\u201d speak  as if all scholars make this assumption. In fact many highly regarded  scholars at highly respected academic institutions do not make these  assumptions about the gospel narratives. But, given the make up of the  Jesus Seminar, I wasn\u2019t surprised to find this sort of skepticism in  their writings.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"272\">What shocked me was how the Jesus Seminar proposed to evaluate the authenticity of the sayings of Jesus. The \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> lists twelve \u201cRules of Written Evidence\u201d and twenty four \u201cRules of Oral Evidence.\u201d Here\u2019s how the rules are described:\n<blockquote><p>The Jesus Seminar formulated and adopted  \u201crules of evidence\u201d to guide its assessment of gospel traditions. Rules  of evidence are standards by which evidence is presented and evaluated  in a court of law.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, the Seminar used their \u201crules of evidence\u201d  to evaluate which sayings Jesus really said and which He did not, to  varying degrees of probability.<\/p><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Five-Gospels-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"275\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"44\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"288\">\n<div>A photo of <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>. Notice the red box, which boldly asks, \u201cWhat did Jesus really say?\u201d<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>So far, so good. This is how scholarship proceeds, with  rules or practices that help scholars to evaluate evidence carefully  and objectively. But when I first read the rules adopted by the Jesus  Seminar, I was astounded. Why? To put the matter bluntly: <em>Many of their rules completely beg the question.<\/em> They don\u2019t established principles for evaluating evidence. Instead,  they make assumptions that utterly presuppose the very thing the Seminar  is supposedly trying to discover, how and what Jesus actually said.<\/p>\n<p>Let me provide a couple of examples. Today I\u2019ll draw  from the \u201cRules of Written Evidence\u201d section. Tomorrow I\u2019ll focus on the  \u201cRules of Oral Evidence.\u201d The \u201cRules of Written Evidence\u201d have to do  with what the gospel writers did (or supposedly did) with the oral  traditions and written sources at their disposal. The \u201cRules of Oral  Evidence\u201d concern the way the sayings of Jesus were passed down by word  of mouth before they were written down.<\/p>\n<p>Here are two (of twelve) of the \u201cRules of Written\u201d  evidence that helped the Jesus Seminar to judge the authenticity of the  sayings of Jesus:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2022 Words borrowed from the fund of common lore or the Greek scriptures are often put on the lips of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The evangelists frequently attribute their own statements to Jesus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Both of these \u201crules\u201d fall in the general category  entitle \u201cFalse attribution\u201d (pp. 22-23). They explain how the gospel  writers attribute certain sayings to Jesus that he did not actually say.  The ideas embodied in these \u201crules\u201d are familiar to anyone who has read  much of secular New Testament scholarship. They\u2019re not original or, to  me, unexpected.<\/p>\n<p>But what astounded me was that <em>these \u201crules\u201d were established <strong>before<\/strong> the examination of the gospels actually took place<\/em>.  These were meant to be rules that guided inquiry. But in fact they look  much more like results of inquiry, not the rules of evidence. How, I  wonder, did the Fellows know that \u201cthe evangelists frequently attribute  their own statements to Jesus\u201d <em>before they evaluated the evidence of the gospels?<\/em> It doesn\u2019t take a rocket scientist, or a New Testament scholar, to  realize that this is impossible, unless one completely begs the question  and makes unproven assumptions about what Jesus said.<\/p>\n<p>Ask yourself: Is it possible to know that \u201cwords  borrowed from the fund of common lore or the Greek scriptures are often  put on the lips of Jesus\u201d <em>before<\/em> you evaluate the actual  evidence of the gospels themselves? Of course not. Can\u2019t be done. It is  possible, after evaluating the evidence, to <em>conclude<\/em> that the  gospel writers put sayings on the lips of Jesus. But you simply can\u2019t  know this prior to investigating the text, unless you assume your  conclusion at the beginning. And that\u2019s exactly what the Jesus Seminar  did.<\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned in a previous post,  this is an example of where the Jesus Seminar uses the scholarly tool  known as the criterion of dissimilarity, though with a reckless abandon  that boggles the mind.<\/p>\n<p>Let me supply an example from <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>.  In Matthew 15:14b Jesus says, \u201cIf a blind person guides a blind person,  both will fall into some ditch\u201d (Scholars Version). This same sentence  appears in a similar form in Luke 6:39, which suggests that the saying  originates from the theoretical sayings document known as \u201cQ\u201d (and thus,  according to the Jesus Seminar, is quite early chronologically). A  similar saying also appears in the Gospel of Thomas 34: \u201cIf a blind  person leads a blind person, both of them will fall into a hole\u201d  (Scholars Version). The Jesus Seminar holds, quite tendentiously, I  might add, that the Gospel of Thomas is the oldest and most reliable of  the gospels (see p. 18). So, according to their own reasoning, we have  in Matthew 15:14b a saying that appears in both of the oldest gospel  texts (Q and Thomas), and in more or less the same form. This would lead  one believe that Jesus actually said it, or at least probably. So you\u2019d  expect a red or pink conclusion.<\/p>\n<p>If you did, you\u2019d be wrong. The saying is printed in gray in <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> (p. 202). Here\u2019s why:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The saying has the ring of a proverb, like the one  found in Prov 26:27: \u201cWhoever digs a pit will fall into it; a stone will  roll back on the one who starts it rolling.\u201d As common wisdom, it would  be appropriate on the lips of almost any sage. As a proverb, it could  have entered the tradition at almost any point. A few Fellows thought  Jesus could have uttered this proverb, but the preponderance of votes  were gray and black. (pp. 202-203)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, basically, the saying was rejected merely on the  basis that is was similar to what any sage might say. There was no  analysis of whether Jesus could have said this, whether it made sense in  light of his other sayings, or whether the antiquity of the evidence in  Q and Thomas mattered. The Seminar applied one of its rules, and the  saying was rejected. End of story.<\/p>\n<p>And this is to be seen as objective, careful  scholarship? It looks to me more like a circle dance, in which one  simply assumes that Jesus was a certain way, and then casts out all  evidence that doesn\u2019t fit the assumption, and then concludes that Jesus  was a certain way. There is no testing of a thesis with evidence because  the contrary evidence is simply discarded. Only that which fits the  thesis is accepted. Talk about circularity.<\/p>\n<p>All of this is especially ironic because the Jesus  Seminar assumes that Jesus was a sage, rather like other sages of his  day (p. 32). Yet when a saying of Jesus sounds like something that a  first century sage might have said, the Seminar rejects it on the basis  that it could have been said by any sage. So, though Jesus was a sage,  according to the Seminar, when he says something that sounds like a  sage, that saying is to be rejected. This is a bizarre form of  circularity, more of a Catch-22, actually. Wouldn\u2019t it make much more  sense for the Fellows to argue, on the basis of their own assumptions,  that a sage-like saying that appears in both of the oldest \u201cgospels\u201d was  at least probably from Jesus, and deserved at least a pink vote. Yes,  it would make sense, unless one approaches the gospels with such  excessive skepticism that it blinds one from seeing the evidence with  any historical objectivity.<\/p>\n<p>What can I say about the presumption of the Jesus  Seminar in claiming to help people discover what Jesus really said? Let  me conclude with a bit of common wisdom. You can decide whether I really  wrote this, or whether some hacker added to this post: \u201cIf a blind  person guides a blind person, both will fall into some ditch.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Swing Your Partner Round and Round<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In my last post in this series I suggested, somewhat  irreverently, that the Jesus Seminar was like a circle dance in the way  it dealt with evidence. Even before the Seminar examined the purported  sayings of Jesus, it had already assumed much of what it would  eventually conclude. That\u2019s called arguing in a circle. But if it\u2019s done  as artfully as the Jesus Seminar did it, it deserves to be called  circle dancing.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"298\">Last time I explained how in the \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>,  the most important text produced by the Jesus Seminar, the writers  (Robert Funk and Roy Hoover) laid out thirty six \u201cRules of Evidence\u201d by  which to evaluate the sayings of Jesus. The first twelve of these are  \u201cRules of Written Evidence,\u201d which I critiqued in my last post. Today I  want to examine some of the twenty four \u201cRules of Oral Evidence.\u201d\n<p>Not all of these are bad rules. For example, one rule states:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2022 Sayings or parables that are attested in  two or more independent sources are older than the sources in which they  are embedded.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Circle-dance-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"177\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"17\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"289\">\n<div>\n<p>No, this is not a meeting of the Jesus Seminar. It just looks like it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>This makes plenty of sense, and is a good rule by which to weigh the sayings of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>But other \u201cRules of Oral Evidence\u201d seem to fall like manna from heaven. For example:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2022 Jesus rarely makes pronouncements or speaks about himself in the first person.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Jesus makes no claim to be the Anointed, the messiah.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now you must remember that these are not set forth as  the conclusions of an objective process of evaluation. These are the  starting points, the assumptions made by the Seminar by which it will  evaluate the sayings of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Once again, the circularity of this process is so  obvious as to be almost laughable. Before the Seminar examined the  statements attributed to Jesus, it could assume that \u201cJesus makes no  claim to be the Anointed, the messiah.\u201d Huh? I am well aware that many  critical scholars believe this to be true as a result of their study.  But on what basis, other than sheer prejudice, can one assume this at  the beginning of one\u2019s study? Divine revelation?<\/p>\n<p>I suppose a Seminar Fellow could argue that this rule  of evidence is merely an implication of the previous one: \u201cJesus rarely  makes pronouncements or speaks about himself in the first person.\u201d But  this too seems to have fallen out of thin air. How do the Fellows know  this <em>prior to<\/em> examining the actual sayings of Jesus?<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> actually tries to answer this question with two arguments. The first  argument assumes that Jesus was a \u201csage of the ancient Near East\u201d (p.  32). Here\u2019s the argument itself: \u201cLike the cowboy hero of the American  West exemplified by Gary Cooper, the sage of the ancient Near East was  laconic, slow to speech, a person of few words . . . . As a rule, the  sage is self-effacing, modest, unostentatious.\u201d (p. 32). So, we can know  what Jesus didn\u2019t say by assuming that he\u2019s like cowboy heroes from old  Westerns?<\/p>\n<p>The second argument at least refers to Jesus, and not  to movie characters from American society two millennia after Jesus.  Here\u2019s the argument:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Jesus taught that the last will be first and the  first will be last. He admonished his followers to be servants of  everyone. He urged humility as the cardinal virtue by both word and  example. Given these terms, it is difficult to imagine Jesus making  claims for himself \u2013 I am the Son of God, I am the expected One, the  Anointed \u2013 unless, of course, he thought that nothing he said applied to  himself. (p. 33)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Once again I point out that the rules of oral evidence  come before the analysis of the sayings of Jesus. Yet this paragraph  makes all sorts of assumptions about what Jesus said and didn\u2019t say, and  this is meant to defend the rule that will be used to determine what  Jesus said and didn\u2019t say.<\/p>\n<p>Morever, though Funk and Hoover find it \u201cdifficult to  imagine Jesus making claims for himself\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0,\u201d this hasn\u2019t been a  problem for theologians and Bible scholars throughout the ages, right  down to our day. Even those who, in the end, deny that Jesus claimed to  be messiah, don\u2019t have a problem imagining that He might have. When it  comes to making up rules of evidence, Funk and Hoover have a rich,  almost unlimited imaginations, but I guess their creativity stops when  they think about Jesus Himself.<\/p>\n<p>The superficiality and literalness of their argument  are almost silly. Since Jesus interpreted messianic claims as a call to  self-sacrifice and servanthood (see, for example, Mark 10:32-45), His  making a messianic claim was hardly contrary to His call to humility.  Furthermore, Funk and Hoover say, \u201cit is difficult to imagine Jesus  making claims for himself \u2013 I am the Son of God, I am the expected One,  the Anointed \u2013 unless, of course, he thought that nothing he said  applied to himself.\u201d Of course there\u2019s another possibility: \u201cIt is  difficult to imagine Jesus making claims for himself . . . unless, of  course, they were true and needed to be stated.\u201d I recognize that the  Jesus Seminar rejects this possibility out of hand. But this is just one  more example of a blantantly obvious do-si-do. The only way they can  rule out of court the possibility that Jesus made messianic claims is by  assuming that he actually said certain things before they begin, and  then by putting a superficial spin on Jesus\u2019s meaning. Very odd indeed!<\/p>\n<p>In my next post I will examine a couple more \u201cRules of Oral Evidence.\u201d Stay tuned . . . .<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Jesus Seminar and Oral Tradition<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In my last post I began examining the so-called \u201cRules  of Oral Evidence\u201d that the Jesus Seminar used to evaluate the  authenticity of sayings attributed to Jesus. In this post I want to dig a  little deeper into the Seminar\u2019s understanding of oral tradition, and  how this influences their estimation of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><em>Oral Tradition and the Sayings of Jesus<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Before I get back to the Seminar and its rules,  however, I should say something about oral tradition and the sayings of  Jesus. Most scholars, even the most conservative, believe that the New  Testament gospels (and Thomas too, if you want to include it) were  written no earlier than twenty years after the death of Jesus. Most  would date the writing of Matthew, Luke, John, and Thomas to more than  forty years after Jesus passed from the scene. So the historian wonders  how the gospel writers had access, if indeed they did have access, to  the sayings of Jesus. What happened between the time Jesus said  something and the time it, or something like it, was written down for  posterity?<\/p>\n<p>We don\u2019t have to dream up an answer to this question  because the Gospel of Luke provides one, one that is supported more or  less by almost all responsible biblical scholars (including most members  of the Jesus Seminar, I\u2019d imagine). This is what Luke, writing anywhere  from 70 to 90 A.D., says about his sources:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Since many have undertaken to set down an orderly  account of the events that have been fulfilled among us, just as they  were handed on to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses  and servants of the word, I too decided, after investigating everything  carefully from the very first, to write an orderly account for you, most  excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the truth concerning the  things about which you have been instructed. (Luke 1:1-4)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Luke refers to two different kinds of source material. On the one hand, there are <em>written sources<\/em> at his disposal (\u201cmany have undertaken to set down an orderly account\u201d). On the other hand, there are <em>oral traditions<\/em> (\u201cjust as they were handed on to us by those who from the beginning  were eyewitnesses and servants of the word\u201d). So before anything was  written down about Jesus, his sayings and descriptions of his actions  were passed down orally. In time, these were recorded in various  writings, some of which we have and some of which (like the hypothetical  \u201cQ\u201d and other sources) we do not have.<\/p>\n<p>So, if the sayings of Jesus were at first passed down  orally, the historian wonders about how reliable this process was, and  whether what\u2019s reported in the gospels actually began with Jesus  Himself.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"275\"><em>Oral Tradition according to the Jesus Seminar<\/em>\n<p>The Jesus Seminar rightly addresses the  question of oral tradition and its reliability. And it rightly  formulates rules for evaluating the evidence of the gospels in light of  the fact that it had been passed on orally. Unfortunately, however,  several of the Seminar\u2019s key rules are tendentious, if not obviously  bogus. It seems pretty clear, from the \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>,  that the Fellows of the Seminar desperately want the independent  sayings of Jesus, such as found in the Gospel of Thomas, to be the  oldest and most reliable.<\/p>\n<p>For example, in the discussion of \u201cOrality and Memory\u201d in the \u201cIntroduction,\u201d we find the following paragraph:<\/p><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Talking-couple-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"270\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"41\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"288\">\n<div>\n<p>Sometimes oral traditions can be quite interesting.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<blockquote><p>We know that the oral memory best retains sayings and  anecdotes that are short, provocative, memorable \u2013 and oft-repeated.  Indeed, the oral memory retains little else. This information squares  with the fact that the most frequently recorded words of Jesus in the  surviving gospels take the form of aphorisms and parables. It is highly  probable that the earliest layer of the gospel tradition was made up  almost entirely of single aphorisms and parables that circulated by word  of mouth, without narrative context \u2013 precisely as that tradition is  recorded in Q and Thomas. (p. 28)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This argument, if you can call it that, leads to the following rules of evidence:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2022 The oral memory best retains sayings and anecdotes that are short, provocative, memorable \u2013 and oft-repeated.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The earliest layer of the gospel tradition is made  up of single aphorisms and parables that circulated by word of mouth  prior to the written gospels. (p. 28).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In application, these rules mean that if certain  sayings of Jesus are embedded in a narrative, those sayings are not  authentic. When <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> deals with Mark 5, for  example, a chapter that includes sayings of Jesus in the context of  stories (the Gerasene demoniac, the healing of the woman with a flow of  blood, the raising of Jairus\u2019s daughter), all of these sayings are  summarily dismissed. Here\u2019s why:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The stories Mark has collected in chapter five of his  gospel contain words ascribed to Jesus that are suitable only for the  occasion. They are not particularly memorable, are not aphorisms or  parables, and would not have circulated independently during the oral  period. They cannot, therefore, be traced back to Jesus. (p. 62)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So the rules are applied, and the sayings of Jesus in  Mark 5 are rejected because they are memorable only when found within  stories about Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d like to begin to chronicle the flaws in the Jesus  Seminar\u2019s understanding of oral tradition, but there\u2019s so much to say,  I\u2019m going to hold off until tomorrow. I\u2019ll pick up the conversation  right where I left off today.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Storytelling and Early Christianity<br>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yesterday I began looking at how the Jesus Seminar  approached the issue of oral tradition as it relates to the sayings of  Jesus. If you missed this post, you may want to scroll up for a quick  review. In this post I want to offer some criticisms of the Seminar\u2019s  thinking about oral tradition.<\/p>\n<p><em>Flaws in the Jesus Seminar\u2019s Understanding of Oral Tradition<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve already pointed out several times in this series  the circularity of the Jesus Seminar\u2019s arguments, so I won\u2019t beat a dead  horse, though it\u2019s certainly tempting in this instance. Yet the  Seminar\u2019s rejection of sayings embedded in narrative does get some  evidential support in the \u201cIntroduction.\u201d Let\u2019s look more closely at  that evidence put forward in the \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe know that the oral memory best retains sayings and anecdotes that are short, provocative, memorable \u2013 and oft-repeated.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This is surely right, to a point. Consider  contemporary examples, such as: \u201cGo ahead, make my day!\u201d or \u201cI\u2019ll be  back\u201d or \u201cHere\u2019s looking at you, kid!\u201d Yet the Seminar wants to press  this truth farther than common sense would allow. Hence . . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cIndeed, the oral memory retains little else.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Little else than what? Than short, provocative  sayings? Is that so? Is the Seminar actually claiming that stories  aren\u2019t remembered and passed on orally? This seems to be their point.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cThis information squares with the fact that the most  frequently recorded words of Jesus in the surviving gospels take the  form of aphorisms and parables.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Except for all of the sayings that are not aphorisms  and parables, such as in Mark 5, which the Seminar rejects as  inauthentic (see my last post). Besides, it\u2019s one thing to argue that  aphorisms and parables are often remembered, and another to conclude  that <em>only<\/em> aphorisms and parables are remembered. The Seminar energetically jumps to the latter conclusion.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cIt is highly probable that the earliest layer of the  gospel tradition was made up almost entirely of single aphorisms and  parables that circulated by word of mouth, without narrative context \u2013  precisely as that tradition is recorded in Q and Thomas.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What evidence makes this highly probable? The  \u201cIntroduction\u201d refers to ancient historians who invent words for  characters, though this is hardly representative of oral culture (p.  29). Otherwise, the only bits of evidence cited are \u201crecent experiments\u201d  into human short-term and long-term memory, studies that suggest people  remember the \u201cgist\u201d of story but not its words (p. 28). Does it dawn on  the Seminar that studies of contemporary people in non-oral cultures  may not be entirely relevant here? Does it occure to the Seminar to  examine studies of real oral cultures? Apparently not.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What is utterly and shockingly lacking in the Seminar\u2019s  conversation is any reference to or apparent awareness of studies of  how oral tradition really works in oral cultures. My cynical side says  this is lacking because the evidence thoroughly undermines everything  the Jesus Seminar is trying to assume and, in the end, conclude about  Jesus and the traditions surrounding Him.<\/p>\n<p>Stop for a moment and think about what you know of oral  cultures, cultures that gather around the fire and pass on common lore.  What gets passed on in these settings? Short parables and witty  sayings? Perhaps. But what mostly gets passed on? Stories! Stories  repeated again and again. Narratives are surely and obviously the  primary stuff of oral tradition. The notion, therefore, that the  earliest Jesus traditions were single aphorisms and parables \u201cwithout  narrative context\u201d is highly unlikely. Are we really to think that  stories about Jesus weren\u2019t passed on by his followers? Does it make  sense to believe that aphorisms must have circulated independently of  narratives at first, and that the stories were only added later? I don\u2019t  think so.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"307\">In fact, a few  paragraphs above I mentioned three familiar aphorisms what are passed  down in our culture: \u201cGo ahead, make my day!\u201d \u201cI\u2019ll be back\u201d and \u201cHere\u2019s  looking at you, kid!\u201d If you think about it, none of these makes much  sense apart from the narrative (movie) in which it was first found. Now  the sayings have a life of their own, but originally they only made  sense in a narrative context, and this is what gave the sayings their  oral viability.\n<p>So far I\u2019ve appealed to common sense, or to  what you might have learned from the Discovery Channel. But there is a  wide and respected body of academic literature that makes the point  about the priority of narrative and shows how stories are passed on. (If  you\u2019re interested, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/unmaskingthejesus.htm#resourcesonoral\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">I<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/unmaskingthejesus.htm#resourcesonoral\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u2018ll list some of this literature below<\/a>.)  What genuine scholars of oral culture have found is that narratives are  indeed passed on with careful attention to detail, even to the words  used, and that sayings are often embedded within these stories. They\u2019ve  also found that there is a certain amount of flexibility allowed in the  telling of the stories and in the passing down of sayings, but formal  constructs and corporate accountability limit the freedom of the  storyteller.<\/p><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Terminator-Schwarzeneggar-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"197\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"7\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"290\">\n<div>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ll  be back!\u201d As it turned out, he did come back, and in forms we\u2019d never  have imagined when The Terminator first came out. This past summer when  my family took a tour of the California State Capitol in Sacramento, the  official tour guide actually referred to the Governor as \u201cthe  Governator.\u201d Go figure!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>When all of this is applied to the New Testament  gospels, it readily disproves the claim of the Jesus Seminar that the  earliest tradition was composed of individual sayings without narrative  context, though it\u2019s certainly possible that <em>part<\/em> of the  earliest tradition was so composed. Moroever, studies of oral culture  weigh heavily against the extreme skepticism of the Seminar, by showing  that the oral culture of Jesus might well have carefully preserved both  His words and His deeds, though not with rigid literalism. Whether this  is true of the gospel material can\u2019t be proved without careful  examination of the gospels themselves, of course. At least it can\u2019t by  scholars who seek to base their conclusions on historical data rather  than a priori assumptions. But the actual social scientific data  concerning \u201cOrality and memory\u201d suggest that one should approach the  gospels in a way very different from the Jesus Seminar. In particular,  we have no good reason at all for rejecting before we begin the sayings  of Jesus that come within stories. One could even argue that these  sayings more accurately preserve what Jesus really said than sayings  that floated around independently.<\/p>\n<p>The Jesus Seminar tells a story about how the sayings  of Jesus in the gospels came to be. In this story, the tradition about  Jesus begins with short aphorisms and parables that circulated without  narratives. In time, these morph into something larger through the  imagination of the early Christian community. The independent sayings  become connected or get placed within stories. Those who pass on the  tradition add generously to it, exercising what <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> calls \u201cthe storyteller\u2019s license\u201d (p. 29) The stories about Jesus are  made up to turn Him into something He was not, and sayings are made up  to fit stories, and so forth and so on. Evidence for this story of  Christian origins supposedly comes from scholarly knowledge of oral  tradition.<\/p>\n<p>But actual scholarly knowledge of oral tradition  doesn\u2019t support this story, nor I would argue, does evidence from the  gospels. In fact, I\u2019d suggest that the Jesus Seminar itself exercised  \u201cthe storyteller\u2019s license\u201d to a considerable degree when making up its  account of the origins of Christianity. Where it had no evidence, it  invented it. And when the real scholarly evidence counted against the  Seminar\u2019s story, the Seminar simply ignored that evidence altogether. In  the end we are presented by the Seminar with little more than a  creative fiction about Christian origins, one that neatly fits the  agenda of Robert Funk, but has little to do with what Jesus and His  early followers actually did or said.<\/p>\n<p><em><a name=\"resourcesonoral\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a>Resources on Oral Tradition, Oral Culture, and Jesus<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Note: None of the books listed below  is available online. But the two articles are readily available, the  Bailey article in HTML and the Wright article as a PDF. If you want to  delve more deeply into the issues of this post and series, I highly  recommend these articles.<\/p>\n<p>Online Articles:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Kenneth E. Bailey, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalstudies.org.uk\/article_tradition_bailey.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cInformal Controlled Oral Tradition and the Synoptic Gospels.\u201d<\/a> This excellent article is online, and well worth the read, though it is  not written for a popular so much as for an academic audience.<\/p>\n<p>N.T. Wright, \u201cFive Gospels But No Gospel: Jesus and the Seminar\u201d (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ntwrightpage.com\/Wright_Five_Gospels.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">180K PDF<\/a>). Note: If you\u2019re looking for an insightful and pointed critique of the Jesus Serminar, I\u2019d recommend this article highly.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Books:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Kenneth E. Bailey, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0802819478\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Poet and Peasant and Through Peasant Eyes<\/a><\/em> (combined edition)<\/p>\n<p>Albert B. Lord, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0674002830\/qid=1127187513\/sr=1-2\/ref=sr_1_2\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The Singer of Tales<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0674002830\/qid=1127187513\/sr=1-2\/ref=sr_1_2\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em> <\/em><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0674002830\/qid=1127187513\/sr=1-2\/ref=sr_1_2\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em> <\/em><\/a>Henry Wansbrough, ed., <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/1850753296\/qid=1127187281\/sr=1-2\/ref=sr_1_2\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Jesus and the Oral Gospel Tradition<\/em><\/a> (only $120 from Amazon.com. Buy several and give them to your friends for Christmas!)<\/p>\n<p>N.T. Wright, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800626826\/qid=1127187157\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/102-2741070-9764101?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus and the Victory of God<\/a><\/em>, 133-137.<\/p>\n<p>N.T. Wright, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800626818\/ref=pd_sim_b_1\/102-2741070-9764101?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;v=glance\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The New Testament and the People of God<\/em><\/a>, 418-443.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Was Oral Tradition Like Playing Telephone?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In my last post I criticized the Jesus Seminar\u2019s  understanding of how oral tradition functions and their application of  this mistaken understanding to the sayings of Jesus. Referring to  several serious studies of oral culture, I suggested that we should  approach the gospel materials with an openness to the very real  possibility that they preserve, in essence if not in exact words, the  sayings (and actions) of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>But I can imagine an objection to what I\u2019m saying that goes something like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Don\u2019t we know from experience how unreliable the  human memory can be when it comes to the spoken word? Haven\u2019t you ever  played the party game called \u201cTelephone\u201d? Does this prove that we really  can\u2019t trust oral tradition to preserve the sayings of Jesus?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I want to address this objection because it seems so  commonsensical, and because it helps to illustrate reasons why the oral  tradition about Jesus can in fact be trusted. (Thanks to blog reader  Scott for suggesting this line of reasoning.)<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re not familiar with Telephone, which is  sometimes called \u201cWhisper Down the Alley,\u201d let me explain. You get a  bunch of people to sit in a circle, the more the merrier. Then somebody  starts by secretly writing down a sentence, something like: \u201cPastor Mark  is going to the fair tomorrow because he\u2019s meeting a friend there.\u201d  After writing down the sentence, the writer whispers it to the person  next to him or her. Then the receiver turns to the next person and  whispers the message. And so it goes, all the way around the circle.  When the message comes to the last person, that one says it out loud.  Then the composer of the message reads the original sentence.  Inevitably, the final sentence is quite different from the original.  \u201cPastor Mark is going to the fair tomorrow because he\u2019s meeting a friend  there\u201d has become \u201cPastor Mark is going to float up into the air  tomorrow because he\u2019s so full of hot air.\u201d<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"282\">If you\u2019ve never played Telephone  before, you might think I\u2019m exaggerating. But, in fact, I\u2019m not. Try it  for yourself and you\u2019ll see just how much the message changes as it\u2019s  passed around the circle. If you start with a longer message \u2013 three  sentences \u2013 the changes will be even more pronounced.\n<p>So, then, does a parlor game prove that the  oral tradition about Jesus cannot be trusted? No, in fact, it actually  helps to illustrate why we can put trust in the process by which the  sayings of Jesus were passed on orally. I say this for several reasons.<\/p><\/td>\n<td width=\"322\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Telephones-antique-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"211\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><em>First, Telephone only works in a culture that is  not like the oral culture of the first century A.D. People in an oral  culture become quite proficient at remembering and passing on oral  material.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Admittedly, we\u2019re not very good at listening,  remembering, and passing on things accurately. That\u2019s what makes  Telephone fun. But if this game were to be played in an oral culture, I  imagine that it wouldn\u2019t really work, because the players would do a  much better job with accurate transmission of information.<\/p>\n<p>I can\u2019t prove this. (Well, I could prove it, actually,  if I had enough time and money to do studies in the oral cultures that  still exist today. But I don\u2019t have the time or the money.) But I can  provide a couple of analogous illustrations. First, consider the case of  remembering phone numbers. When I was younger, in an age before phones  with computer-chips, I had memorized many phone numbers. I wouldn\u2019t be  surprised if I once knew 25 numbers by heart. Now I\u2019ll bet I can\u2019t come  up with more than five. What explains the difference, apart from the  aging of my brain? Necessity and practice. When I needed to memorize  numbers, I did. And as I did this, I became good at it.<\/p>\n<p>A second example comes from the days when my wife was  training to be a psychotherapist. After her sessions with clients, she  was expected to write out a \u201cverbatim\u201d of the sessions, an accurate  transcript of what was discussed. In time, she became quite proficient  at this. Why? Again, it was a matter of necessity and practice. So, it  seems logical that when people have a need to remember sayings or  stories, and when they practice remembering and repeating them, they get  good at it. We should expect the earliest followers of Jesus to be so  good at playing Telephone that the game would be quite boring.<\/p>\n<p><em>Second, Telephone works because the message is  passed around secretly, without accountability or the possibility of  correction. Early Christian tradition, on the contrary, was almost  always passed on in corporate settings where accountability was provided  and corrections could be made.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sure there were times when followers of Jesus told  others what Jesus said in private conversations. But the process of  tradition was something that found its home in the early Christian  communities. Studies of oral cultures have shown that these cultures  allow for a measure of freedom in the passing on of traditional  material, but only within certain limits. The community self corrects as  necessary, guaranteeing that the stories and sayings are passed on with  a high level of accuracy.<\/p>\n<p>Back to the Telephone example, suppose the rules of the  game were different, and the communications weren\u2019t secret. If one  person made a mistake in passing on the message, others would be there  to correct the mistake. What a dull game it would be if the group could  make sure that what was passed on was accurate.<\/p>\n<p><em>Third, Telephone works because the message is  relatively unimportant, if not absurd. The players have no strong reason  to guarantee the accuracy of the transmission process. The early  Christians, on the contrary, had strong reasons to preserve what Jesus  actually did and said.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Most of the earliest followers of Jesus believed that  He was the messiah of Israel. Soon, in fact, He was believed to be the  Lord Himself. His teachings were regarded as divinely-inspired and,  indeed, the ultimate source of divine guidance for living, not to  mention salvation. Thus there would have been strong reason to transmit  the sayings of Jesus with considerable accuracy. (Ironically, if Jesus  had really been only the reticent sage \u201cdiscovered\u201d by the Jesus  Seminar, it\u2019s likely that nobody would have bothered to remember his  peculiar sayings.)<\/p>\n<p>Again, consider the case of Telephone. Suppose, instead  of saying something trivial or silly, the first speaker delivers a bit  of news worth remembering, something like: \u201cTomorrow, at 8:30 a.m.  exactly, at the corner of State and Main, a man will be giving out $100  bills.\u201d I\u2019ll bet that the transmission of this information would be much  more reliable than when the statement is just for fun.<\/p>\n<p>So, the Telephone game turns out, upon inspection, to  highlight reasons for believing that the early followers of Jesus passed  on His words with a high level of accuracy. Here are some relevant  conclusions to this conversation.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2022 Unlike Telephone players, the first Christians  lived in an oral culture that had trained them to be proficient at  passing on stories and sayings.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Unlike Telephone secrecy, the passing on of the  traditions about Jesus occurred primarily in public settings that  ensured the basic integrity of the transmission.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Unlike Telephone sentences, the sayings of Jesus  were believed by those who passed them on to be the most important words  ever spoken, essential for salvation and for abundant living. Thus the  early Christians had strong reason to remember and to repeat the sayings  (and stories) of Jesus accurately.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I\u2019m not suggesting that the early Christians literally  memorized every saying of Jesus and passed it down verbatim. The variety  we find in the gospels belies this notion. Besides, Jesus most  certainly spoke Aramaic, and almost everything we have in the gospels is  in Greek. So we can\u2019t claim to have the literal words of Jesus in most  cases. But we can claim to have access to sayings and words that closely  approximate what Jesus actually said. The facts of oral culture  support, rather than undermine, basic confidence in the historical  accuracy of the gospels.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What Do Scholars <em>Really<\/em> Think About Jesus?<\/strong><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The popular impact of the Jesus Seminar was based  largely upon the image, one might be tempted to say \u201cthe myth,\u201d of the  Seminar as a group of unbiased scholars who carefully sifted the  evidence to discover what Jesus really said (and didn\u2019t say). I\u2019ve shown  in this series how much reality failed to measure up to this image. But  the facts didn\u2019t keep the promoters of the Jesus Seminar, largely  Robert Funk, from trumpeting the idea that they were doing what scholars  really do. The new translation in <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> was called, audaciously enough, The Scholars Version. And throughout the \u201cIntroduction\u201d to <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> we read about how scholars do this and scholars think this and so forth and so on.<\/p>\n<p>This might lead one to wonder what scholars really do  think about Jesus? If the Jesus Seminar did not exemplify the best in  scholarship on Jesus, where can this be found? And if the grouping of  Fellows was not representative of New Testament scholars in general,  what, if anything, can be said about what scholars actually think about  Jesus?<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps the one thing that is indisputable about  scholarship on Jesus is that there is a wide diversity of opinion about  Jesus. You can find respected scholars who believe that Jesus said very  little of what shows up on his lips in the gospels. And you can find  respected scholars who believe that much of what is attributed to Jesus  he really did say (albeit in Aramaic, rather than Greek). And you can  find everything in between. Much of the difference has to do, not with  scholarly methods, but with the starting points. Approach the gospels  with extreme skepticism, and you\u2019ll discover that Jesus didn\u2019t say much  of what\u2019s in there. Approach the gospels with a healthy caution, and  you\u2019ll conclude that they\u2019re actually reliable sources for historical  knowledge about Jesus.<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 17px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"607\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td rowspan=\"2\" width=\"300\">In recent years there  have been a large number of scholarly efforts to make sense of Jesus,  efforts that have used the critical skills of contemporary New Testament  scholarship, efforts that have been respected by a wide range of  scholars. In many cases these efforts have come to the conclusion that a  much of what is attributed to Jesus in the gospels can, on historical  grounds, be understood as coming from Jesus Himself. (I say \u201con  historical grounds,\u201d because I am, for the moment, bracketing the  question of divine inspiration of Scripture. Right now I\u2019m treating the  gospels as human documents, even though they I believe they are far more  than this.)\n<p>This whole enterprise, by the way, has a long  and storied history. The so-called \u201cquest for the historical Jesus\u201d  began well over a century ago, and has had several iterations. Many  scholars would say that we\u2019re now in the middle of the third quest for  the historical Jesus. (If you\u2019re curious about the history of theis  \u201cquest,\u201d I highly recommend <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0830815449\/qid=1127435106\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Jesus Quest: The Third Search for the Jew of Nazareth<\/a><\/em> by Ben Witherington III. Witherington is a respected critical scholar  who, nevertheless, writes for an informed lay audience in this book.)<\/p><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/Jesus-Books-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"400\"><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"16\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"288\">\n<div>These are just a few of the recent books on Jesus that are both academically credible and more conservative in results.<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>If you go to your local Borders or Barnes &amp; Noble  and look for books on Jesus, you\u2019ll face a dizzying array of options,  some written by serious scholars, some by pseudo-scholars, some by  pastors, and some by authors who, in my opinion, must have been inhaling  illegal substances. If you want to publish a book on Jesus these days,  it seems, the wackier the better. Yet even on the shelves of secular  stores you\u2019ll find some books on Jesus written by trustworthy scholars  who come from a wide variety of backgrounds and perspectives. In the  rest of this post, I want to mention some of these authors and books,  adding somes notes of explanation or recommendation.<\/p>\n<p><em>Luke Timothy Johnson<\/em>. Johnson is a top-notch  academic scholar who is currently the R.W. Woodruff Professor of New  Testament and Christian Origins at Emory University. (Before that he  taught at Yale, which I will not hold against him.) Religiously, Johnson  is a Roman Catholic, and his scholarly approach to Jesus would not  satisfy many evangelicals. But he is a devastating and well-informed  critic of the Jesus Seminar who builds a strong case for the  trustworthiness of the biblical gospels in his book, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0060641665\/qid=1127435725\/sr=1-3\/ref=sr_1_3\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Real Jesus: The Misguided Quest for the Historical Jesus and the Truth of the Traditional Gospels<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0310211395\/qid=1127447986\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus Under Fire<\/a><\/em>.  This short, readable book was written by several conservative  evangelical scholars who sought to respond to the Jesus Seminar in a way  that would be available to non-specialists. It represents solid  conservative scholarship, though <em>Jesus Under Fire<\/em> is not meant to persuade an academic audience. It provides a good introduction to the issues from an evangelical perspective.<\/p>\n<p><em>Craig Blomberg<\/em>. Blomberg is a well-regarded  evangelical scholar. He is a professor of New Testament at Denver  Seminary, and has written extensively on Jesus. Two of his many books  are outstanding introductions to Jesus and the gospels, written from a  well-informed conservative perspective: <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0805410589\/qid=1127448168\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus and the Gospels<\/a><\/em> and <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0877849927\/qid=1127448202\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Historical Reliability of the Gospels<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>John P. Meier<\/em>. Meier is a Catholic priest and  professor of New Testament at the Catholic University of America. He is  an extraordinarily thorough and careful critical scholar, whose  voluminous writings on Jesus are not easy to digest. Though some of his  conclusions would not satisfy conservative scholars, Meier shows how  rigorous application of critical tools leads a careful scholar to much  more traditional results than one finds from the Jesus Seminar. All  three of Meier\u2019s books on Jesus have the basic title, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0385264259\/qid=1127448249\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">A Marginal Jew<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Ben Witherington III<\/em>. Witherington is Professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary. In addition to <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0830815449\/qid=1127435106\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Jesus Quest<\/a><\/em>, which I mentioned previously, Witherington has authored two academic books on Jesus: <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800631080\/qid=1127448360\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Christology of Jesus<\/a><\/em> and <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800627113\/qid=1127448380\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus the Sage<\/a><\/em>.  This last book sounds like it hails from the Jesus Seminar, but in fact  it is a serious academic tome that places Jesus squarely within the  Wisdom tradition of Judaism (not the world of the Hellenistic Cynic  philosophers, or even the world of the American cinematic cowboy). <a href=\"http:\/\/benwitherington.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Witherington has a blog<\/a>, by the way, which is well worth a regular visit.<\/p>\n<p><em>N.T. Wright<\/em>. No scholar has done more to put  the Jesus Seminar in its place than Wright, a prolific scholar who has  taught at Oxford, Cambridge, and (gasp!) Harvard. He\u2019s shown the folly  of the Seminar, not by writing books critical of the Seminar, but by  publishing masterful positive tomes on Jesus. His academic writing on  Jesus takes up more than 2,000 extremely dense pages in three  groundbreaking books, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800626818\/qid=1127448508\/sr=1-3\/ref=sr_1_3\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The New Testament and the People of God<\/a><\/em>, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800626826\/qid=1127448508\/sr=1-5\/ref=sr_1_5\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus and the Victory of God<\/a><\/em>, and <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0800626796\/qid=1127448508\/sr=1-2\/ref=sr_1_2\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Resurrection of the Son of God<\/a><\/em>.  The are books for academic specialists, primarily, though I\u2019d highly  recommend them to any college graduate who is truly serious about the  quest for the historical Jesus. The good new for the non-specialist is  that Wright also publishes for lay readers. <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0830822003\/qid=1127448508\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Challenge of Jesus: Rediscovering Who Jesus Was and Is<\/a><\/em> presents Wright\u2019s main ideas in a very readable, 200-page format. Wright is now the Bishop of Durham in England (Anglican).<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0060608765\/qid=1127448579\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Meaning of Jesus<\/a><\/em>.  N.T. Wright teamed up with Marcus Borg to co-write a book on Jesus.  This is remarkable, because Wright represents the best of careful,  critical, conservative scholarship on Jesus, while Borg is perhaps the  best known of the Fellows from the Jesus Seminar. In this book, these  two scholars lock horns in a respectful but blunt dialogue over Jesus.  If you\u2019re unfamiliar with the issues of this debate, this book may be  the best way to ease into unfamiliar waters, with two of the ablest  experts to guide you.<\/p>\n<p>It won\u2019t surprise you that I find Wright\u2019s position on  Jesus to be far more convincing than Borg\u2019s, though Borg has many valid  insights. It isn\u2019t just that I happen to agree with Wright. He wins the  argument for three powerful reasons. First, his grasp of the literature  and culture of Judaism in the time of Jesus is immense. He runs circles  around most other scholars in this crucial arena. Second, Wright places  Jesus within this milieu, and shows how much sense Jesus makes when He\u2019s  thought of as a first-century Jew. Third, Wright doesn\u2019t only address  thousands of specific issues with masterful wisdom. He also provides a  panoramic overview of Jesus and early Christianity, one that is stunning  in its elegance and reasonableness. I\u2019m not saying that I agree with  everything Wright has written (or even that I understand it, frankly).  But I believe he has shown beyond reasonable argument that Jesus must be  seen in his original cultural setting, and that when He is seen this  way, much of what He is supposed by the gospels to have said makes great  sense as coming from Jesus Himself.<\/p>\n<p>Not all conservatives are as favorable to N. T. Wright  as I am. Some are unsettled by his unapologetic use of critical  scholarly methodologies. Others are upset by his conclusions, fearing  that he has somehow left Christian orthodoxy behind. Indeed, Wright\u2019s  picture of Jesus does not fit many of the images of Jesus in evangelical  piety. But, whether one agrees with Wright or not, I think it\u2019s  impossible to minimize his impact on historical Jesus studies, both now  and in the future.<\/p>\n<p>Wright does not have a blog, to my knowledge. But there is a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ntwrightpage.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">wonderful website<\/a> that has collected many of his writings, speeches, and sermons, and made them available online.<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0830817778\/qid=1127449323\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-6234594-4656803?v=glance&amp;s=books\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels<\/a><\/em>.  This dictionary, published by InterVarsity Press, collects some of the  best scholarship on Jesus, addressing a wide range of topics, not only  the historical Jesus issues. The authors are mainly conservative  Christians. But they are also top-notch scholars. This dictionary is a  fantastic resource, and I highly recommend that you purchase it for your  library. It isn\u2019t cheap, but it\u2019s well worth the price. (Actually, this  book is part of a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianbook.com\/Christian\/Books\/easy_find?Ntk=keywords&amp;Ntt=essential+IVP&amp;action=Search&amp;N=0&amp;Ne=0&amp;event=ESRCN&amp;nav_search=1&amp;cms=1&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">collection that\u2019s available on CD<\/a>. This will cost you a hefty chunk of change, but it\u2019s one of the best Bible study tools I know of.)<\/p>\n<p><em>Conclusion<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In this post I do not mean to imply that most New  Testament scholars uphold conservative positions when it comes to Jesus.  To do so would be just as disingenous as the Jesus Seminar\u2019s opposite  insinuation. I began by mentioning a wide diversity of opinion, and I\u2019ll  closely by making the same point. What I do find both incorrect and  almost insulting is the assumption made in <em>The Five Gospels<\/em> that all real scholars think along the lines of the Jesus Seminar. In  fact, some of the brightest and most influential New Testament scholars  have argued that the New Testament gospels are reliable sources of  historical information about Jesus. Surely their voices deserve to be  heard and respected, even by those who ultimately disagree with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Post Script<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>After I finished this series on the Jesus Seminar in 2005, I wrote an extended blog series on the reliability of the Gospels. That series formed the basis of my book: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Can-Trust-Gospels-Investigating-Reliability\/dp\/1581348665\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1302565760&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Authenticity of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John<\/em><\/a>. In this book I explain why I believe that the New Testament Gospels are, indeed, reliable historical sources for our knowledge of Jesus.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Unmasking the Jesus Seminar: A Critique of Its Methods and Conclusions by Dr. Mark D. Roberts Copyright \u00a9 2005 by Mark D. 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