{"id":3969,"date":"2012-05-07T01:55:18","date_gmt":"2012-05-07T06:55:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/?p=3969"},"modified":"2015-03-13T15:32:25","modified_gmt":"2015-03-13T20:32:25","slug":"are-we-a-nation-of-heretics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/2012\/05\/07\/are-we-a-nation-of-heretics\/","title":{"rendered":"Are We a Nation of Heretics?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Are we a nation of heretics? Ross Douthat, a columnist for the <em>New York Times<\/em>, says \u201cYes.\u201d It\u2019s a rather elaborate \u201cYes,\u201d actually, taking up 293 pages of Douthat\u2019s new book, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1439178305\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1439178305\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1439178305\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1439178305\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-3970\" style=\"margin: 5px 10px\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/44\/2012\/05\/douthat-bad-religion-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"433\"><\/a>I always enjoy Douthat\u2019s writing, and <em>Bad Religion<\/em> is no exception to this rule. He is thoughtful, knowledgeable, and can turn a phrase with the best of them. I\u2019m about a quarter into <em>Bad Religion<\/em> and am finding myself both informed and entertained. So far, Douthat has been focusing on the rise and fall of mainline Christianity in America in the last half century or a little more.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re looking for a way to sample Douthat\u2019s thinking before you purchase <em>Bad Religion<\/em>, Christianity Today has a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/ct\/2012\/may\/ross-douthat-bad-religion.html?start=1\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">fine interview available online<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how it begins:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">The biggest threat facing America is not a faltering  economy or a spate of books by famed atheists. Rather, the country meets  new challenges due to the decline of traditional Christianity, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat suggests in <em>B<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1439178305\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1439178305\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">ad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics<\/a><\/em> (Free Press). Douthat has taken his own personal tour of American  Christianity: he was baptized Episcopalian, attended evangelical and  <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Pentecostal<\/a> churches as a child, and converted to Catholicism at age 17.  He argues that prosperity preachers, self-esteem gurus, and politics  operating as religion contribute to the contemporary decline of America.  CT spoke with Douthat about America\u2019s decline from a vigorous faith,  modern heretics, and why we need a revival of traditional Christianity.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em>What do you mean when you say we\u2019re facing the threat of heresy?<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">I try to use an ecumenical definition, starting with  what I see as the theological common ground shared by my own Catholic  Church and many Protestant denominations. Then I look at forms of  American religion that are influenced by Christianity, but depart in  some significant way from this consensus. It\u2019s a C. S. Lewisian, <em>Mere Christianity<\/em> definition of orthodoxy or heresy. I\u2019m trying to look at the ways the  American religion today departs from theological and moral premises that  traditional Protestants and Catholics have in common.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em>How did America become a nation of heretics?<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">We\u2019ve always been a nation of heretics. Heresy used to  be constrained and balanced by institutional Christianity to a far  greater extent than it is today. What\u2019s unique about our religious  moment is not the movements and currents such as the \u201clost gospel\u201d  industry, the world of prosperity preaching, the kind of therapeutic  religion that you get from someone like Oprah Winfrey, or various highly  politicized forms of faith. What\u2019s new is the weakness of the orthodox  Christian response. There were prosperity preachers and therapeutic  religion in the 1940s and \u201950s\u2014think of bestsellers like Norman Vincent  Peale\u2019s <em>The Power of Positive Thinking<\/em>\u2014but there was also a much more robust Christian center.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">The Protestant and Catholic churches that made a real  effort to root their doctrine and practice in historic Christianity were  vastly stronger than they are today. Even someone who was dabbling in  what I call heresy was also more likely to have something in his  religious life\u2014some institutional or confessional pressure\u2014tugging him  back toward a more traditional faith. The influence of heretics has been  magnified by the decline of orthodox Christianity.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, Douthat won\u2019t win any popularity contest by using the words \u201cheresy\u201d and \u201cheretics\u201d to describe people in our day who think they are Christian or, at any rate, acceptably spiritual. He\u2019s got enough here to make just about everybody upset. Mainliners will object to his blunt depiction of denominational decline. Freethinking Christians and other religious folk will be put off by being labeled heretics. And atheists will be bugged by the fact that a book on \u201cbad religion\u201d turns out to believe that certain kinds of religion, especially orthodox (right-thinking) religion, is in fact good.<\/p>\n<p>Whether you agree with Douthat\u2019s basic thesis or not, I think he\u2019s on to something. I\u2019ll have more to say about this later.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Are we a nation of heretics? Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times, says \u201cYes.\u201d It\u2019s a rather elaborate \u201cYes,\u201d actually, taking up 293 pages of Douthat\u2019s new book, Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics. I always enjoy Douthat\u2019s writing, and Bad Religion is no exception to this rule. 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