{"id":3972,"date":"2012-05-09T01:36:20","date_gmt":"2012-05-09T06:36:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/?p=3972"},"modified":"2015-03-13T15:32:25","modified_gmt":"2015-03-13T20:32:25","slug":"recommendations-for-a-nation-of-heretics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markdroberts\/2012\/05\/09\/recommendations-for-a-nation-of-heretics\/","title":{"rendered":"Recommendations for a Nation of Heretics"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>In my last post, I began to comment on Ross Douthat\u2019s new book, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1439178305\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1439178305\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics<\/em><\/a>. Well, actually, I focused on a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/ct\/2012\/may\/ross-douthat-bad-religion.html?start=1\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">recent interview Douthat did with <em>Christianity Today<\/em><\/a>. He does believe that much of American religion, Christianity, in particular, is \u201cbad\u201d because we have lost touch with Christian orthodoxy and with the institutions (churches, denominations) and guard and pass on classic Christian truth.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_3973\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3973\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/44\/2012\/05\/douthat-ross-FAF-5.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-3973\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/44\/2012\/05\/douthat-ross-FAF-5.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"259\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-3973\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ross Douthat at Faith Angle Forum, May 2012<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>In the last couple of days, I\u2019ve been attending the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eppc.org\/programs\/faithangleforum\/programID.37\/default.asp\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Faith Angle Forum<\/a> in Florida. As it turns out, Douthat was one of the featured speakers. He is as good in person as in writing, which made for an engaging conversation about the state of religion in America. Whether you agree with Douthat or not, he is a valuable contributor to this dialogue and I hope he continues to express his views on the matter.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, back to <em>Christianity Today<\/em>. In the interview, Douthat was asked: <em>How can we begin to address a nation of heretics?<\/em> \u201cWe,\u201d in this question, means \u201cwe who believe ourselves to be orthodox Christians.\u201d Here is Douthat\u2019s telling answer:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">There has been much healthy Catholic and Protestant  dialogue and cooperation during the past 30 years. But ultimately the  success of U.S. Christianity depends on individual churches and  confessions, not on ecumenism for ecumenism\u2019s sake. Protestants and  Catholics need to recognize everything we have in common and then say  we\u2019re also going to focus on building separate effective churches.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">Christianity\u2019s failure in the United States is an  institutional failure, and the answer to institutional failure is  stronger institutions. America has more to gain from a more potent  Protestantism and Catholicism than it does from even the most fruitful  Protestant-Catholic dialogue.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">For evangelicals, it means thinking more seriously about  ecclesiology and what it will take to sustain Christianity across  generations. Promise Keepers, Campus Crusade for Christ, and other  parachurch groups have been important to evangelicalism. But  \u201cparachurch\u201d makes sense over the long term in the context of a church.  The danger for evangelicalism is becoming too parachurch without enough  church. Some megachurches seem to function like parachurches rather than  churches, as though everything else that\u2019s going on is more important  than the central life of the community of worship. It might be important  for evangelicals to think of themselves as Presbyterians, Baptists, and  so on, and recover the virtues of confessionalism, because it\u2019s  confessions, not just superstar pastors, that sustain Christianity over  the long haul.<\/p>\n<p>I think Douthat is substantially right. Though it\u2019s popular these days to love Jesus and hate the church, in fact, the church is the context in which the truth about Jesus is told and passed on. It\u2019s the context where Jesus is honored and worshiped. You cannot ultimately have a vital, sustainable Christian faith apart from the church.<\/p>\n<p>I take seriously Douthat\u2019s recommendation for evangelicals. I agree that we need to do much more thinking about ecclesiology (the understanding of the church). Though parachurch organizations can help to revitalize and strengthen the church, they should not suppose to replace it. As you may know, I work for a parachurch organization (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.laityrenewal.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Foundations for Laity Renewal<\/a>). One of the reasons I joined this organization had to do with its longstanding commitment to support and partner with the church (in the form of particular churches).<\/p>\n<p>By the way, if you\u2019re looking for some serious reflection on the church and its relationship to Christian faith, I would recommend an outstanding book by my friend Tod Bolsinger. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1587430894\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1587430894\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>It Takes a Church to Raise a Christian: How the Community of God Transforms Lives<\/em><\/a> has been well-received in a wide range of contexts: churches, small groups, seminaries, pastors\u2019 retreats, etc. You can also find lots of insights about the church on <a href=\"http:\/\/bolsinger.blogs.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tod\u2019s blog<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In my next post, I want to think with you about why the notion of \u201cheresy\u201d is an important one, even if it isn\u2019t especial PC these days.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In my last post, I began to comment on Ross Douthat\u2019s new book, Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics. 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