{"id":103739,"date":"2018-05-11T00:39:47","date_gmt":"2018-05-11T07:39:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=103739"},"modified":"2018-05-11T23:15:37","modified_gmt":"2018-05-12T06:15:37","slug":"a-reader-asks-for-my-take-on-a-passage-by-calvin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2018\/05\/a-reader-asks-for-my-take-on-a-passage-by-calvin.html","title":{"rendered":"A reader asks for my take on a passage by Calvin"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>He writes:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;\">Hi Mr. Shea! I read your book <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mark-shea.com\/books.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>By What Authority<\/em>?<\/a> awhile back and enjoyed it. Along with some other religious works I\u2019ve read, Anyways, I\u2019m wondering if you might give me your \u201ctake\u201d or thoughts, however brief they might be (I know you\u2019re busy), on a passage from the preface of\u00a0John Calvin\u2019s \u201cAntidote\u201d against the Council of Trent, which I\u2019ve quoted below. These are some words of his that precede his critique of the council, in which he explains why he thinks the council\u2019s conclusions are unbiblical. I have my own ideas about why Calvin is wrong here and how his stated approach to the Scriptures and the council is problematic, but I\u2019d be most interested in your own critique on what you find lacking or misguided in his stated approach. Even if you only have a few words to offer on this, I\u2019d be most interested\u2013 thanks for your time!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;\">\u2014\u2014\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;\">The name of Sacred Council is held in such reverence in the Christian Church, that the very mention of it produces an immediate effect not only on the ignorant but on men of gravity and sound judgment. <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">I am above any council of holy Church, because I\u2019m me, John Calvin, and I have a Bible.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">And doubtless, as the usual remedy which God employed from the beginning in curing the diseases of his Church was for pious and holy pastors to meet, and, after invoking his aid, to determine what the Holy Spirit dictated, Councils are deservedly honored by all the godly.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">Don\u2019t get me wrong.\u00a0 Other councils were fine because I agree with them.\u00a0 But in the end, I\u2019m the sole arbiter of what is biblical and what ain\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">There is this difference, however, \u2013 the vulgar, stupified with excessive admiration, do not afterwards make any use of their judgment, whereas those of sounder sense allow themselves, step by step, and modestly, indeed, but still allow themselves to inquire before they absolutely assent. <\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Dumb peasants just listen to the teaching Holy Church and accept it.\u00a0 But not <em>this\u00a0<\/em>guy.\u00a0 I\u2019ll decide what is Magisterial and what isn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;\">And so it ought to be, in order that our faith, instead of rashly subscribing to the naked decisions of men, may submit to God only<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">The teaching of God only exactly coincides with my own.\u00a0 Lucky me.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;\">. . . . I ask nothing of my readers, however, but to lay prejudice in favor of either party aside, and come unbiased to the discussion. <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">Unbiased judgment means judgment that agrees with mine.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: black;\">This they can only do by withdrawing their eye from persons, and fixing it on the subject.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And I\u2014I alone\u2014define the subject.<\/p>\n<p>_______<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s amazing how much this sounds like people attacking Pope Francis today.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>He writes: Hi Mr. Shea! I read your book By What Authority? awhile back and enjoyed it. Along with some other religious works I\u2019ve read, Anyways, I\u2019m wondering if you might give me your \u201ctake\u201d or thoughts, however brief they might be (I know you\u2019re busy), on a passage from the preface of\u00a0John Calvin\u2019s \u201cAntidote\u201d [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":92,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[8],"class_list":["post-103739","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-mailbag"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>A reader asks for my take on a passage by Calvin<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"He writes: Hi Mr. Shea! 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