{"id":112994,"date":"2019-08-14T00:46:55","date_gmt":"2019-08-14T07:46:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=112994"},"modified":"2019-08-14T11:33:13","modified_gmt":"2019-08-14T18:33:13","slug":"a-reader-writes-to-ponder-mortal-and-venial-sin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2019\/08\/a-reader-writes-to-ponder-mortal-and-venial-sin.html","title":{"rendered":"A reader writes to ponder mortal and venial sin"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>She writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I know you are busy, and there is no need to reply to me on this, but I would like to share with you some thoughts \u2013 or questions \u2013 about venial sin.<\/p>\n<p>Thinking back over some of the sometimes heated discussions about <em>Amoris Laetitia<\/em>, it seems to me that there was something missing from the discussion. Some, mostly conservative, people seemed to have difficulty understanding the distinction between actions that are grave matter in themselves, and the subjective culpability of people who don\u2019t yet know enough or are free enough to avoid doing those actions. Some people claimed that once a person\u2019s subjective culpability has been established, it meant that the person is then free to merrily go his own way and just continue doing what he was doing because it is no longer a sin. Others insisted that sin is sin and remains sin and expressed scandal over what they saw as a permission to continue sinning. But it was rarely, if ever, that such grave matter without sufficient knowledge or freedom, although it remains sin, it is then a \u201cvenial\u201d sin.<\/p>\n<p>Here, I know that a venial sin does not prevent a person from receiving the Eucharist, but not much else. Can there be some limit to accumulation of venial sins? We believe that God\u2019s patience and mercy are without limits, but I suppose that venial sins will eventually damage our relationship with Him. Jesus said that \u201cif we love Him we will follow his commandments\u201d; I am sure He did not mean only the big issues. And He said somewhere else something about being faithful in small things\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Would such a habitual sinner be in danger of becoming \u201ctepid\u201d\u2026 and Revelation contains strong words about those who are \u201cneither hot not cold\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>If I had a husband whom I claimed to love very much, but I did never try to avoid doing things that drive him crazy, even such things of little importance like my bad habit of always leaving cupboard doors open in the kitchen (something I actually do all the time), and more other such trivial things, our relationship will eventually suffer. He might start worrying that I don\u2019t love him enough, even by trying to avoid small annoyances. Our relationship will eventually be destroyed.<\/p>\n<p>In the same way, venial sins appear to be small offences. But do I really love the Lord \u201cwith all my heart\u201d if I don\u2019t make any effort to avoid displeasing Him, even in apparently small matters?<\/p>\n<p>Now, what are we supposed to do about venial sins? Is the Penitential Rite at the beginning of every Mass we attend, and the \u201csay only one word and our hearts will be healed\u201d just before Communion sufficient to always obtain forgiveness of all these smaller sins that we regret?<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, if most people came to Confession with a complete list of all their venial sins, Confessions would indeed take a very long time\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Or, as some Protestant people who don\u2019t understand the Sacrament of Reconciliation claim for every kind of sin, would it be sufficient to just ask forgiveness for our many venial sins in our private prayers?<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know what to conclude about all this. What do you think?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think you are definitely on to something when you talk about venial sins accumulating.\u00a0 My main caution is to think of it relationally and psychologically rather than legally. God does not keep a checklist of our sins and wait hopefully for us to cross the line so he can damn us.\u00a0 We are punished by, not for, our sins.\u00a0 God is always working for our salvation and happiness. An image from medical science helps me here.\u00a0 It\u2019s like the accumulation of exposure to x-rays.\u00a0 A little bit doesn\u2019t hurt us too much and we should not freak out about it when we get our dental x-rays even though they do us a small amount of damage.\u00a0 But if we build up an exposure over time it can still harm us a lot.\u00a0 Obviously that analogy limps since there is never a time when even venial sin is a good thing (as an x ray can be).\u00a0 Indeed, one of the ways venial sin takes over is by bringing us to believe the lie that a little venial sin is actually good for you. This is part of the reason legalist approaches to sin can be toxic since so many people quickly embrace the idea that it\u2019s \u201cjust\u201d a venial sin so it\u2019s really okay to do it. It\u2019s not and the embrace of that lie is itself a sin. It\u2019s the mentality of the beginning alcoholic who tells himself it\u2019s \u201cjust\u201d one drink as the gateway to a life of slavery. Sin blinds and hardens the soul and makes it more and more difficult to repent or even admit the sin.\u00a0 In the end, it can make us unable\u2014yet in a profoundly culpable way\u2014to even believe we sin at all.\u00a0 It becomes everybody else\u2019s fault and\u2014eventually\u2014God\u2019s fault that we do evil that is obvious to everybody else, especially our victims.<\/p>\n<p>That said, most sins are venial ones and the other end of the scale is that people guilty of mere trivialities can often suffer from scruples and agonize over nothing when they are actually living lives that are pleasing to God.\u00a0 Very often, they are people who suffer profoundly at the hands of spiritual bullies who push them around with guilt and shame as a sick sort of power play at the hands of the weak.<\/p>\n<p>You are absolutely not a bully of any kind and have always struck me as one of the sweetest, gentlest, and most thoughtful readers I have, so what I say next is not directed at you in the slightest.\u00a0 It is, in a certain sense, directed at me and countless folk I have encountered on the web over the years and it comes down to this:<\/p>\n<p>The whole issue of diagnosing mortal and venial sin is only useful when applied to ourselves.\u00a0 We can talk about grave matter objectively, but we cannot talk about another person\u2019s culpability at all since we know their knowledge of sin only imperfectly and their interior freedom not at all.\u00a0 So my first gut response to this discussion is a sort of profound weariness of soul because, at the mention of <em>Amoris Laetitia<\/em> and Pope Francis, I find myself reliving the endless jihad of the Catholic Taliban against him for the crime of trying to make it possible for people in excruciating family circumstances to have access to the grace of the sacraments, only to be endlessly attacked by Pharisees convinced that they know and can sit in judgment of total strangers about whose culpability they know nothing.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m deathly sick of that.\u00a0 I\u2019m perfectly willing to say that \u201cIf you support [insert grave matter here] you are in danger of your immortal soul\u201d.\u00a0 I\u2019ve made many arguments to that effect concerning things like torture, or cheerleading for cruelty at the border while hiding behind the unborn, or a host of other evils promoted by the Christianist Freak Show.\u00a0 I\u2019ve condemned ugly statements mocking the least of these or exploiting the unborn in order to defend cruelty to children at the border.\u00a0 Jesus commands us to evaluate such bad fruits of the tongue and reject them as the work of false prophets.\u00a0 How else can we navigate such moral questions in the public square?\u00a0 But of course, I don\u2019t know the culpability of total strangers and don\u2019t try to claim that somebody is guilty of mortal sin\u2014especially somebody I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 Indeed, one of the weirdest things, for me, is when a total stranger writes me to complain \u201cI deeply resent your extremely accurate description of the shoe I freely choose to wear!\u201d\u00a0 My response is, \u201cDude, I don\u2019t even know you.\u00a0 Why do you choose to wear the shoe I\u2019m describing and then blame me for condemning you?\u00a0 I\u2019m condemning the grave matter.\u00a0 You are the one who chooses to support that grave matter and then feel guilty when I point out that it is grave matter.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, I think you are basically on the right track that persistent venial sin can harden our hearts, not God\u2019s.\u00a0 He does not change, but we can, and not always for the better.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mark-shea.com\/mortal.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">FWIW, here\u2019s a piece I wrote long ago to explain mortal and venial sin to an Evangelical audience and the Catholics bearing witness to them<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>She writes: I know you are busy, and there is no need to reply to me on this, but I would like to share with you some thoughts \u2013 or questions \u2013 about venial sin. 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