{"id":34824,"date":"2012-05-03T00:01:58","date_gmt":"2012-05-03T07:01:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=34824"},"modified":"2014-12-30T17:14:28","modified_gmt":"2014-12-31T00:14:28","slug":"a-reader-doubly-blasphemes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2012\/05\/a-reader-doubly-blasphemes.html","title":{"rendered":"A reader doubly blasphemes&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>one of the sacred dogmas of the Thing that Used to be Conservatism.<\/p>\n<p>He writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.annualreviews.org\/doi\/pdf\/10.1146\/annurev.lawsocsci.093008.131501\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">I just paged the hard copy of this article (pdf attached) for an ILL request<\/a>. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This leads to the first blasphemy, namely that the authors refuse to play the bs game of saying \u201cenhanced interrogation\u201d instead of torture or feigning confusion by everlastingly wondering if freezing, beating, drowning and suffocating helpless prisoners is torture or not, with an abstract that states:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Torture is absolutely prohibited and constitutes one of the core crimes under international law. There is a substantial body of sociolegal literature that addresses torture\u2019s illegality. But this article tackles the question \u201cdoes torture work?\u201d The analysis locates the practice of torture in historical and global perspective, accommodating but not constrained by <strong>post-9\/11 scholarship on American torture.<\/strong> The titular question is treated more critically and comprehensively than a narrowly construed focus on the value and veracity of utterances produced as a result of pain and suffering. Drawing on scholarship from a variety of fields, the article addresses how torture works (i.e., why it has been used and its effects) in order to highlight the role of torture in the mutually constitutive histories of law-state-society relations. The final section uses the American case to offer conclusions about the efficacy and effects of torture.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The second blasphemy lies in the conclusion, which dares to blaspheme the wisdom and goodness of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/articles\/news_and_politics\/politics\/2012\/04\/george_w_bush_and_torture_america_s_highest_officials_are_responsible_for_the_enhanced_interrogation_of_prisoners_.2.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bush\/Cheney <\/a>and the squad of Catholic consequentialists who tried to say that maybe \u201ctorture\u201d (square quotes are essential) was a little bit unfortunate, but it was made necessary because it \u201cworked\u201d.  Nope:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>CONCLUSION<\/p>\n<p>From the narrowly construed perspective, the lessons learned from the American case confirm timeless truisms about the consequentialist relationship between torture and truth. \u201cTorture,\u201d as third century AD\/CE Roman jurist<br>\nUlpian observed, \u201cis a difficult and deceptive thing[,] for the strong will resist and the weak will say anything to end the pain.\u201d As for truth, according to the German Jesuit Friedrich von Spee in 1631, \u201cIt is incredible what people<br>\nsay under the compulsion of torture, and how many lies they will tell about themselves and about others; in the end, whatever the torturers want to be true, is true.\u201d For a contemporary judgment about the efficacy of interrogational torture, Rejali\u2019s (2007, p. 478) comparative global assessment is a fitting description of the American case: \u201c[O]rganized torture yields poor information, sweeps up many innocents, degrades organizational capabilities, and destroys interrogators. Limited time during battle or emergency intensifies all these problems.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In short, not only was it evil, it was stupid too.  Congratulations, Catholic torture apologists.  You\u2019ve made Uncle Screwtape so happy to have been right when he said, \u201cTo get the man\u2019s soul and give him <em>nothing <\/em>in return\u2014that is what really gladdens our Father\u2019s heart.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>To <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?sourceid=ie7&amp;q=coalition+for+fog&amp;rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1I7ACAW_enUS400\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">all <\/a>who <a href=\"http:\/\/seeking4justice.blogspot.com\/search?q=torture\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">defended<\/a> this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?sourceid=ie7&amp;q=marc+theissen+torture&amp;rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1I7ACAW_enUS400\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">filth<\/a>: The sacrament of confession is available. <\/p>\n<p>Oh, and you Obama excusers:  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2011\/07\/01\/torture_51\/singleton\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Get in line right behind them.<\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>one of the sacred dogmas of the Thing that Used to be Conservatism. He writes: I just paged the hard copy of this article (pdf attached) for an ILL request. This leads to the first blasphemy, namely that the authors refuse to play the bs game of saying \u201cenhanced interrogation\u201d instead of torture or feigning [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":92,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[49,52],"class_list":["post-34824","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-the-thing-that-used-to-be-conservatism","tag-the-thing-that-used-to-be-liberalism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>A reader doubly blasphemes...<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"one of the sacred dogmas of the Thing that Used to be Conservatism. 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