{"id":34910,"date":"2012-04-23T09:12:01","date_gmt":"2012-04-23T16:12:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=34910"},"modified":"2014-12-30T17:43:27","modified_gmt":"2014-12-31T00:43:27","slug":"thoughts-on-the-ref-74-petition-drive","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2012\/04\/thoughts-on-the-ref-74-petition-drive.html","title":{"rendered":"Thoughts on the Ref 74 Petition drive"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Here in Washington there\u2019s a petition to keep marriage what it as has always been: heterosexual.  Pretty sensible.  So the Abp is asking (not requiring, asking) parishes to allow signatures to be collected by any laity who wish to do so.  Nobody is being ordered to do anything.  And, to be ultra-clear the normative distinctions are being made between what the Church teaches (i.e.  marriage is intrinsically heterosexual and gay \u201cmarriage\u201d is an ontological impossibility) and particular political approaches toward addressing that reality (such as Ref 74).  Catholics are bound to support the former, not the latter.  Somebody might, for instance, refuse to support Ref 74, not because they support gay \u201cmarriage\u201d but because they believe the state should play <em>no <\/em>role in marriage at all.  That\u2019s a view compatible with the Tradition.  But, basically, all that\u2019s happening is that laity who think Ref 74 is a good idea are being permitted to gather signatures on Church grounds.  It\u2019s not \u201cthe Church interfering with the state\u201d.  It\u2019s \u201cthe Church letting citizens who happen to be Catholic act in accord with their convictions on Church property if they want to\u201d.  Really pretty innocuous.  I can\u2019t see a thing wrong with it.<\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned below, Fr. Michael Ryan at our Cathedral and a few other parishes (six, I think) have opted not to allow this.  Two things can be said about this.  First, I think they are wrong to constrict the freedom of their parishioners like this.  It\u2019s ironic, in a tedious sort of way, that it is generally the very same people who constantly declared that Progressive Seattle Catholics are Integrated Adult Personalities who don\u2019t need the Church to Tell Them What to Think are also the same people who say that their parishioners are so fragile that they can\u2019t cope with a few tweaks to the liturgy or ideas they dislike without freaking out, so they have to be protected and must not encounter a signature collector in the vestibule lest they have a total meltdown.  I would gently suggest that if you are forming your people to be this delicate and helpless in the face of intellectual diversity, then \u201cspiritual maturity\u201d is not the name I\u2019d give it.<\/p>\n<p>Second, that said, I think the pastors are, like it or not, within their rights to do this and the calls for (yawn) excommunication from the various combox Star Chambers and self-appointed bishops around the web fail to grasp distinctions between words like \u201crequest\u201d and \u201corder\u201d.  Like it or not, it was a request from the bishop, not an order.  A pastor is free to respond as he likes.  When he responds by refusing to allow the collection of signatures\u2013and his parish responds with applause\u2013that\u2019s a sad thing and a sign of spiritual unhealthiness, but not an excommunicable thing.<\/p>\n<p>To review: excommunication is a *very* rare event in the life of the Church, just as amputation is seldom applied.  Do it yerself combox bishops eager for excommunication are like doctors who want to treat everything from leg cramps to hangnails with amputation.  It\u2019s as unhealthy a first instinct as the impulse to constrict free speech by Fr. Ryan and Co.  And it tends to repel ordinary people who see it, not as zeal for the Church, but as a scary Inquisitorial mindset that will surely spin out of control into a reign of terror should it ever escape the vanishing small culture of the combox pseudo-episcopacy and take root in the real Church.  Happily, that will never happen.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s the solution to the people who can\u2019t sign the petition in six parishes then?  My suggestion is: walk down the street to the next parish.  The weather in Seattle is beautiful right now and it\u2019s a beautiful day for it.  You can get in line behind me to sign the petition at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.blessed-sacrament.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Blessed Sacrament<\/a>.  Then, go pray for the tiny handful of parishes that are too afraid to be Catholic and allow diversity of opinion be expressed.  But don\u2019t freak out.  Polarization is not going to help anything.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here in Washington there\u2019s a petition to keep marriage what it as has always been: heterosexual. Pretty sensible. So the Abp is asking (not requiring, asking) parishes to allow signatures to be collected by any laity who wish to do so. Nobody is being ordered to do anything. 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