{"id":4359,"date":"2010-01-20T14:17:00","date_gmt":"2010-01-20T14:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2010\/01\/meanwhile-the-torture-party-learns\/"},"modified":"2014-12-31T15:52:23","modified_gmt":"2014-12-31T22:52:23","slug":"meanwhile-the-torture-party-learns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2010\/01\/meanwhile-the-torture-party-learns.html","title":{"rendered":"Meanwhile, the Torture Party learns"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/corner.nationalreview.com\/post\/?q=NzI1Y2RkMWE3ZjE4M2QzMzdjZjgyYTEzNWU2MmZhZGQ=\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">all the wrong lessons from Massachusetts.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Torture is now as much a fixture of GOP doctrine and as much a hallowed core value among Righties as abortion is on the Left.  \u201cProlife\u201d my ass.<\/p>\n<p>Till that changes, they\u2019ve lost me completely.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, <a href=\"http:\/\/disputations.blogspot.com\/2010_01_01_archive.html#8480204661304898785\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">sane Catholics <\/a>who actually listen to the Church and not to talk radio and GOP shills like Thiessen will continue to shout into the wind.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The more significant point to make is that Thiessen completely misreads the April 2009 Pew Poll. He thinks the fact that 71% of American think \u201ctorture,\u201d and not merely \u201cenhanced interrogation,\u201d should be safe, legal, and rare is a good sign about what Americans think about what he sees as a position that is part and parcel of political conservatism.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, it is a sign that a great majority of Americans are gravely immoral.<\/p>\n<p>That the population is morally depraved in a direction that helps your candidates win elections is not something to celebrate. \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/disputations.blogspot.com\/2010_01_01_archive.html#8480204661304898785\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tom Kreitzberg<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Catholics are called to be leaven *against* this kind of evil in the public square.  Instead, those who claim the mantle of \u201cFaithful Conservative Catholic\u201d and vaunt their fidelity over the dread liberal dissenters are <a href=\"http:\/\/pewforum.org\/docs\/?DocID=156\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">cheerleaders <\/a>for it.  Shameful.<\/p>\n<p>PS. My <a href=\"http:\/\/js-kit.com\/api\/static\/pop_comments?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markshea.blogspot.com%2F&amp;path=%2F6051614479194286237\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">reader <\/a>sums up the Thing that Used to be Conservatism:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Did you see the NR editorial? <\/p>\n<p>It praised the GOP for not being held \u201chostage to extremists who would rather lose than support a pro-choice candidate.\u201d Then it praised Brown for supporting \u201ctough interrogations of terrorists\u201d (wink, wink). Bottom line: The Thing That Used To Be Conservatism now seems at peace with electing pro-aborts \u2014 as long as they\u2019re also pro-torture. Ugh.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is what comes of being a stooge for power.  You become a <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.masscitizensforlife.org\/2010\/01\/congratulations-now-lets-finish-job.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">stooge<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>all the wrong lessons from Massachusetts. Torture is now as much a fixture of GOP doctrine and as much a hallowed core value among Righties as abortion is on the Left. \u201cProlife\u201d my ass. Till that changes, they\u2019ve lost me completely. 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