{"id":53064,"date":"2014-06-18T00:31:49","date_gmt":"2014-06-18T07:31:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=53064"},"modified":"2014-12-28T23:59:42","modified_gmt":"2014-12-29T06:59:42","slug":"a-question-above-my-pay-grade","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2014\/06\/a-question-above-my-pay-grade.html","title":{"rendered":"A question above my pay grade"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

A reader writes:<\/p>\n

I read the following passage <\/a>in an article from 14 year ago. It was linked to in a recent article about the 2025 meeting between Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew.<\/p>\n

If, however, Rome were to downgrade that council\u2014and the Council of Lyons, which in A.D. 1274 issued a similar decree including the filioque\u2014from ecumenical to a regional council of the Patriarchate of the West; if the doctrinal statements produced by those councils and the five councils before Lyons and those after Ferrara\/Florence were relegated to the status of theologoumenon (respectable theological opinion) instead ofdogma (revealed truth); if Rome were to remove the filioque from all translations of the Creed as a sign of universal doctrinal unity: the Orthodox Churches would have no compelling theological reason to perpetuate the schism between Rome and Orthodoxy. For then Rome would, with such confident humility and genuine servanthood, have demonstrated its true primacy among the Churches.<\/p>\n

Lest this modest proposal sound far-fetched, I hasten to claim no less an advocate than Pope Paul VI himself. In 1974, on the 700th anniversary of the ill-fated Council of Lyons, the Roman pontiff described that assembly not as an ecumenical council but rather as \u201cthe sixth of the general synods held in the West.\u201d The precedent is already set. If Pope John Paul II were to issue an official \u201cclarification\u201d of this matter, it would surely be the crowning achievement of his pontificate\u2014and of the millennium.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Is this even possible? Wouldn\u2019t that amount to changing doctrine? Or would it be more like an example of doctrine developing like you wrote about in a post last week? If it is possible, wouldn\u2019t a downgrading a dogma (revealed truth) to a theologoumenon (respectable theological opinion), as the passage above suggests, open the flood-gates for people to justifiably to some degree say things like, \u201cWell, if the Church was wrong about the filioque, then couldn\u2019t it also be wrong about ________________.\u201d<\/p>\n

What are your thoughts?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I\u2019m no expert on this stuff and think worrying about it is pointless. The Church has always been able to express the faith in more ancient forms while still retaining developed ideas. So it did not abolish the Apostles\u2019 Creed after it promulgated the Nicene Creed and it did not abolish the Nicene Creed after it promulgated the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. Similarly, the pope has celebrated liturgies with Eastern churchmen and has simply left out on the filioque in the recitation of the creed, with no harm to the faith.<\/p>\n

I wouldn\u2019t worry about such things if I were you. God is in charge.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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