{"id":56433,"date":"2014-12-29T00:23:21","date_gmt":"2014-12-29T07:23:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=56433"},"modified":"2014-12-23T12:12:19","modified_gmt":"2014-12-23T19:12:19","slug":"phil-lawler-wrestles-with-a-mysteriously-popular-desperate-lie-from-catholic-torture-defenders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2014\/12\/phil-lawler-wrestles-with-a-mysteriously-popular-desperate-lie-from-catholic-torture-defenders.html","title":{"rendered":"Phil Lawler Wrestles with a Mysteriously Popular Desperate Lie from Catholic Torture Defenders"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

The man has written wisely <\/a>and well <\/a>on the this beloved-by-far-too-many-conservative-Catholics mortal sin and, as a result, heard the same foolish lies in defense of it as I get on a daily basis.<\/p>\n

He writes:<\/p>\n

Since you\u2019ve been so persistent on the question of torture, I\u2019m curious whether you\u2019ve been hearing the same odd argument that is turning up in many of the critical emails that I\u2019ve received.<\/p>\n

Literally dozens of people have written to tell me that the Church condemns torture when it is used to extract a confession, but not when it\u2019s used to gain information. I\u2019m having trouble taking that argument seriously; I don\u2019t understand how a reasonable intelligent person could find a morally significant distinction there. Have you been getting that argument too, or is it something peculiar to my readers?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

When the Church is clearly teaching something that people Catholics desperately wish to avoid, the general method for ignoring bloody obvious Church teaching is to find a theologian somewhere who will tell them what their itching ears want to hear, and then raise him to the status of the Magisterium, despite the fact that he literally stands in complete isolation from the rest of the Church\u2019s witness. We saw this with the exaltation of people like Charles Curran and Hans Kung with lefties on their beloved Pelvic Issues.<\/p>\n

Now the Torture Defending Right is doing the same thing. The theologian in this case, is Fr. Brian Harrison.\u00a0 In addition to rushing to defend Bob Sungenis from his bishop\u2019s censure of his loony antisemitism<\/a>) Fr. Harrison also immediately set to work devising a defense for the use of torture in interrogation so hair-splitting and tendentious that only a dedicated torture defender could take it as gospel: see here<\/a> and here<\/a> <\/p>\n

Tom Kreitzberg sums things up perfectly in his excellent rebuttal of this desperate attempt to find wiggle room for torture when he describes it as precisely the sort of logic chopping that gives Roman Catholic theology a bad name http:\/\/disputations.blogspot.com\/2006_11_01_archive.html#116248044980889857<\/a>\u00a0 It\u2019s this piece that is the source of the ridiculous arguments you are hearing. And despite the fact that Fr. Harrisoh stands absolutely and totally alone in the theological community and without one single shred of support from any bishop in the whole wide world, he has been treated as an alternate Magisterium on this question by Catholic torture defenders for years.<\/p>\n

The irony is that Fr. Harrison himself finally abandoned the argument when Benedict closed that loophole he was straining to keep open<\/a>.\u00a0 <\/p>\n

I wish to state that I accept the Holy Father\u2019s judgement on this matter, and so no longer hold that Catholics can ever legitimately defend the use of torture \u2013 not even in extreme circumstances to gain potentially life-saving information from known terrorists. Accordingly, the last sentence of the above article, regarding \u201cthe present status quaestionis\u201d on torture, should now be taken as withdrawn.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Benedict\u2019s statement, for those who don\u2019t know, is this: \u201cI reiterate that the prohibition against torture \u201ccannot be contravened under any circumstances.\u201d<\/p>\n

You should point your readers to those facts at every opportunity.\u00a0 I wish Fr. Harrison would take these writings down and not leave them up for torture defenders to keep referring to as some kind of magisterial proof for their position.<\/p>\n

Thanks for fighting the good fight.\u00a0 The cheering for mortal sin by \u201cprolife\u201d \u201cfaithful\u201d Catholics is an ugly stain on the Church\u2019s witness. That it still continues at this late date, after the release of the Senate Report, is even more appalling. There\u2019s no sense left in it, other than the insane \u201csense\u201d of needing to go on justifying evil lest one have to admit one was obviously wrong. It\u2019s People of the Lie stuff at this stage. That\u2019s why the focus is now on a) appealing to naked liars like Dick \u201cThe Ends Justify the Means\u201d Cheney as \u201cproof\u201d that \u201cit worked\u201d; b) refusal to acknowledge that the ends do not justify the means whether it worked or not; c) refusa to acknowledge that the Report documents that it did not, in fact, work and did, in fact, harm intel-gathering; d)endless quibbling about waterboarding as though all the other horrors in the Senate Report never happened; e) genetic fallacy lies which try to argue that the Democratic authorship of the report somehow make the copiously documented fact in the report go away; and f) (with Catholic Torture Defenders) absurd hair-splitting appeals to the now-disowned-by-the-author claim that the use of torture in interrogation might be legitimate. <\/p>\n

It is long past time for Catholics to demonstrate some courage and stop trying to defend this miserable stain on the US and the American Catholic Church\u2019s members who have fought so hard to defend it. When \u201cprolife\u201d people are going to the mat to defend anal rape, freezing an innocent man to death, forcing people to stand on broken feet in stress positions, standing on a man\u2019s broken leg, and threatening to murder children and cut the throats of innocent women, the \u201cprolife\u201d movement can well and truly be termed a thing so perverted that its witness is dead till it renounces such prostitution for the sake of worldly power.<\/p>\n

May our tortured Lord forgive us our cowardice and may the Holy Innocents pray for us that we be consistent in our prolife witness and abandon this horrendous failure to be fully prolife.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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