{"id":6102,"date":"2009-07-29T10:51:00","date_gmt":"2009-07-29T10:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/history-for-stupid-people-contd\/"},"modified":"2015-01-01T14:53:30","modified_gmt":"2015-01-01T21:53:30","slug":"history-for-stupid-people-contd","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/history-for-stupid-people-contd.html","title":{"rendered":"History for Stupid People, Cont&#8217;d"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I think part of what bugs me about the birthers is not just the stupidity of conspiracy theorizing in general, but the fact that the Christians who indulge in it (including, shamefully, Catholics) remind me of nothing so much as anti-Catholic conspiracy theorists.  The sheer malignant uncharity, the complete credulity accorded any rumor that might vindicate that uncharity, is what strikes me.  It\u2019s like the anti-Catholics who grab some line from some Church Father to \u201cprove\u201d he believed in sola scriptura, then resolutely shut their eyes to the full context of the passage which makes it obvious he believed no such thing.  There\u2019s a willed dishonesty about it that smells like a day old fish.  Case in point, this little exchange from my comboxes between two readers:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Okay, for those who think \u201cbirthers\u201d are conspiracy nuts \u2013 here\u2019s what the media isn\u2019t reporting:<\/em><\/p>\n<p>1)Obama\u2019s paternal grandmother was recorded as saying that she \u201cwas in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born August 4, 1961.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This particular lie was started when conspiracy theorists posted a truncated recording of an interview with Obama\u2019s grandmother. There was confusion in the translation, where his grandmother thought she was answering the question, \u201cWere you in Kenya when he was born?\u201d But the translator thought he was asking, \u201cWere you there when he was born here in Kenya?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Here is an example <\/a>of the misleading presentation, where they only play the recording up until the miscommunication, leading the listener to believe that she said he was born in Kenya.<\/p>\n<p>But, if you actually listen to the full recording, you find out that the mistake was corrected immediately after that YouTube video leaves off. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.obamaconspiracy.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/12\/8167169.wma\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">You can find the FULL recording here<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>2) Hawaii has legal statutes permitting the issuance of a certificate of live birth for children born on foreign soil provided that the parents had declared the State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. <br>(]\u2013&gt;[\u00a7338-17.8])<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The media has reported on this, and has debunked it. <\/p>\n<p>From the Director of Communications of the Hawaii Department of Health:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf you were born in Bali, for example,\u201d Okubo explained, \u201cyou could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.\u201d<br><a href=\"http:\/\/washingtonindependent.com\/51489\/birther-movement-picks-up-steam\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">From here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And, as you know, the certificate presented by the Obama campaign said he was born in Honolulu.<\/p>\n<p>And then of course you have the Director of the Department of health saying that Obama was born in Hawaii. Which you can find <a href=\"http:\/\/www.honoluluadvertiser.com\/article\/20090728\/NEWS01\/907280345\/Hawaii+officials+confirm+Obama%E2%80%99s+original+birth+certificate+still+exists\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But, of course, none of this matters to the conspiracy theorists. They continue on and on spouting half-truths and flat out lies.<\/p>\n<p>I am no fan of the Obama administration. I didn\u2019t vote for him. But, I think time could be better spent attacking him on the issues rather than something that has been sufficiently debunked (and probably never deserved to be an issue in the first place).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The first reader ends by saying, <em>\u201cThere is grounds for their dispute, and it\u2019s not surprising to me the amount of effort that the media has gone to in order to discredit those who are speaking out about the issue.\u201d<\/em><br>Note the presuppositions at work here.  Obama is guilty till proven innocent.  If somebody in the media debunks the lies, they aren\u2019t debunking a lie but \u201ctrying to discredit those who are speaking out.\u201d  Uh huh.  People producing obvious documentary evidence that Obama was born when and where he said he was born are the problem.  People doctoring that evidence and credulously passing along lies are just \u201cspeaking out\u201d about this issue.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another conservative, driven to the point of exasperation by the Idiot Takeover in conservative circles writes me:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The really stupid thing about the whole situation is that because Obama\u2019s mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, he is a U.S. citizen by birth no matter WHERE he was born.  John McCain was born of American parents in the Panama Canal Zone.  Regardless of whether the Canal Zone is U.S. territory, or was, he was American by right of his birth to American parents.<\/p>\n<p>The relevant law is the Naturalization Act of 1790.  The Constitution requires that the President be a natural born citizen, NOT that he be born in America.  The Constitution does not define \u201cnatural born citizen\u201d but leaves it to Congress to define.  Congress, in the Naturalization Act of 1790, granted every child of American parents citizenship by birthright.  I was born at 7th Army Headquarters, Heidelberg, Germany.  My military birth certificate was accompanied by a document called \u201cReport of United States Citizen Born Abroad\u201d.  It seems pretty clear to me that even though I was not born on U.S. soil, I was a U.S. citizen at birth, by right of my birth to American parents.<\/p>\n<p>This is a total non-issue.  Some people are just ignorant and would rather spout off that actually do a little research to improve their condition.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I don\u2019t know about the fine points of the law here (though the guy who wrote the above is an attorney, FWIW).  However, it\u2019s all a moot point as far as I\u2019m concerned because Obama was, you know, born in Hawaii.  Birthers are either ignorant of a few elementary facts they could discover in two minutes if they actually wanted to do so, or they are liars, or they are paranoid kooks whom no amount of evidence will persuade.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s because there was no grand conspiracy to fake birth announcements in two local papers in 1961 as part of a long term strategy for a Marxist takeover of the government in 48 years.  The guy won the election, dudes.  He\u2019s a natural born American.  Deal with it.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think part of what bugs me about the birthers is not just the stupidity of conspiracy theorizing in general, but the fact that the Christians who indulge in it (including, shamefully, Catholics) remind me of nothing so much as anti-Catholic conspiracy theorists. 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