{"id":6156,"date":"2009-07-20T11:10:00","date_gmt":"2009-07-20T11:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence\/"},"modified":"2015-01-01T14:53:41","modified_gmt":"2015-01-01T21:53:41","slug":"extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom.  It sounds great and is routinely trotted out to smack down anybody who argues for things like the existence of God or the reality of a miracle.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s only one problem: it\u2019s meaningless crap.<\/p>\n<p>There is no sliding evidentiary scale whereby claims of factuality require more and more astounding evidence until the biggest claim of all requires and infinite amount of stupefyingly awesome evidence to establish the claim.  We do not require a tiny amount of evidence for petty theft, but virtually incredible evidence for murder.<\/p>\n<p>What we requires is sufficient evidence.  Produce the purloined necklace from the suspect\u2019s pocket with his prints on it and that\u2019s enough.  Produce the corpse with the bullet from the .45 belonging to the suspect, give motive, and demonstrate that he was seen by witnesses shooting the guy and you\u2019ve got a conviction.  Nobody says, \u201cThe charge of murder is more extraordinary than the charge of petty theft, so in addition to this normal evidence we will need something extraordinary.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>All this stupid meme really means is \u201cI dislike claims of the supernatural, so I\u2019m going to lard on a bunch of unreasonable demands in order to make fend off the obvious evidence.  Is there a documented medical miracle?  I won\u2019t pay attention to the evidence.  Instead, I will demand to have such miracles occur in a laboratory (even though I would never demand that all murders and thefts occur in laboratories).  If the evidence is overwhelming that the miracle, say \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?hl=en&amp;rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS309US309&amp;q=Pio+blind+%22no+pupils%22+Gemma+DiGiorgio&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">giving the gift of sight to a woman who had no pupils in her eyes<\/a>\u201c, took place, I will demand to know why the miracle does not occur to *everybody* and why all blind people are not healed.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/bremlar.blogspot.com\/2009\/07\/incredible-claims.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">In short<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIncredible claims require incredible evidence,\u201d can only mean, \u201cclaims that I choose to reject willfully and a priori require evidence that I will not choose to reject willfully and a priori.\u201d This is entirely a matter of the speaker\u2019s intellectual and volitional dispositions. But a speaker\u2019s intellectual and volitional dispositions have no effect on the truth, i.e. the reality, of a claim. Thus the the idea that, \u201cincredible claims require incredible evidence,\u201d is not relevant to judging the truth or falsity, i.e. the reality or non-reality, of any particular claim.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Remember: theists are people who fear the light of rational inquiry, while atheists are Thinking People who fearlessly follow the evidence wherever it leads.  Fortunately, it leads to the conclusion that we live in a godless universe that they arrived at when they were nine years old and they have never ever had to stop and reconsider that mystical insight.  They\u2019re so right they don\u2019t even have to bother with counter-evidence.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely trotted out to smack down anybody who argues for things like the existence of God or the reality of a miracle. There\u2019s only one problem: it\u2019s meaningless crap. There [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":92,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6156","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>&quot;Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"&quot;Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence&quot;\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Catholic and Enjoying It!\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2009-07-20T11:10:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2015-01-01T21:53:41+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/3469526-8544365850138203994?l=markshea.blogspot.com\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Mark Shea\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Mark Shea\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"2 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html\",\"name\":\"\\\"Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence\\\"\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2009-07-20T11:10:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2015-01-01T21:53:41+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#\/schema\/person\/c1a9ac1e557d3c626974fd6692818ad5\"},\"description\":\"is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"&#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence&#8221;\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/\",\"name\":\"Catholic and Enjoying It!\",\"description\":\"Mark Shea&#039;s Blog: So That No Thought of Mine, No Matter How Stupid, Should Ever Go Unpublished Again!\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#\/schema\/person\/c1a9ac1e557d3c626974fd6692818ad5\",\"name\":\"Mark Shea\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f287911f45adc932ad24ddbae3597ed5?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f287911f45adc932ad24ddbae3597ed5?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Mark Shea\"},\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/author\/markshea\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"\"Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence\"","description":"is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"\"Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence\"","og_description":"is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html","og_site_name":"Catholic and Enjoying It!","article_published_time":"2009-07-20T11:10:00+00:00","article_modified_time":"2015-01-01T21:53:41+00:00","og_image":[{"url":"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/3469526-8544365850138203994?l=markshea.blogspot.com"}],"author":"Mark Shea","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Mark Shea","Est. reading time":"2 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html","name":"\"Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence\"","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#website"},"datePublished":"2009-07-20T11:10:00+00:00","dateModified":"2015-01-01T21:53:41+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#\/schema\/person\/c1a9ac1e557d3c626974fd6692818ad5"},"description":"is one of those stupid tropes that have gained currency among the sort of people who value cleverness over wisdom. It sounds great and is routinely","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2009\/07\/extraordinary-claims-require-extraoardinary-evidence.html#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"&#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraoardinary evidence&#8221;"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/","name":"Catholic and Enjoying It!","description":"Mark Shea&#039;s Blog: So That No Thought of Mine, No Matter How Stupid, Should Ever Go Unpublished Again!","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#\/schema\/person\/c1a9ac1e557d3c626974fd6692818ad5","name":"Mark Shea","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f287911f45adc932ad24ddbae3597ed5?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f287911f45adc932ad24ddbae3597ed5?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"Mark Shea"},"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/author\/markshea"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6156","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/92"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6156"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6156\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6156"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6156"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6156"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}