{"id":91719,"date":"2015-03-10T00:36:24","date_gmt":"2015-03-10T07:36:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=91719"},"modified":"2015-03-10T07:23:55","modified_gmt":"2015-03-10T14:23:55","slug":"st-augustine-once-again-shows-he-was-not-a-real-american-catholic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2015\/03\/st-augustine-once-again-shows-he-was-not-a-real-american-catholic.html","title":{"rendered":"St. Augustine Once Again Shows He was Not a Real American Catholic"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/mark-shea\/augustine-vs.-the-priscillianists\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Not only did he reject lying for a good cause<\/a>, he also was not nearly as eager to kill bad guys as he should have been.  A reader writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I\u2019d like to recommend this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/1102133.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">short letter by St Augustine<\/a>. It\u2019s regarding non-Catholics who have been convicted of harming and even murdering Catholics, including priests. St. Augustine does not wish to see them receive punishment like they\u2019ve inflicted. As it turns out, ancient Christians were not so eager to dole out death as some would have us believe.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201c[W]e do not wish to have the sufferings of the servants of God avenged by the infliction of precisely similar injuries in the way of retaliation.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>But Augustine helped to formulate Just war doctrine.  Yes.  He sure did.  And just war doctrine is, of course, ordered not toward the question \u201cWhen do we <em>get <\/em>to kill people?\u201d but \u201cHow do we make it as hard as possible to kill people?\u201d  This is, as ever, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2014\/12\/having-to-kill-vs-getting-to-kill.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the difference between anti-abortion-but-not-prolife postmodern Catholic thought that animates zeal for war, torture, and the death penalty<\/a> and actual prolife thinking.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Not only did he reject lying for a good cause, he also was not nearly as eager to kill bad guys as he should have been. A reader writes: I\u2019d like to recommend this short letter by St Augustine. It\u2019s regarding non-Catholics who have been convicted of harming and even murdering Catholics, including priests. 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