{"id":92315,"date":"2015-04-24T00:24:14","date_gmt":"2015-04-24T07:24:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/?p=92315"},"modified":"2015-04-22T13:56:33","modified_gmt":"2015-04-22T20:56:33","slug":"what-do-i-say-to-matt-walshs-declaration-the-obama-is-not-a-christian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2015\/04\/what-do-i-say-to-matt-walshs-declaration-the-obama-is-not-a-christian.html","title":{"rendered":"What Do I Say to Matt Walsh’s Declaration that Obama is Not a Christian?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

A reader writes:<\/p>\n

So recently I got into an argument with some conservative Christians (Catholic and Protestant) about Matt Walsh\u2019s claim (you can probably see where this is going) that Obama is not a Christian. I basically tried to argue two things: 1) As long as Obama professes belief in Jesus as God and Savior and is baptized, he counts as \u201cChristian\u201d even if he is a poor example; and 2) The whole issue is stupid because it presumes to know what is in the heart, and furthermore is probably just a way to focus our moral outrage on the Other.<\/p>\n

I felt a little tongue-tied trying to make both points. Someone challenged me to find the article of Catechism that describes who \u201ccounts\u201d as a Christian, and not finding the precise passage I answered by saying that it was a \u201clogical extrapolation\u201d of all the basic facts. That felt like a lame answer, though.<\/p>\n

How would you approach this?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

You are right, of course.\u00a0 And the irony is that Walsh, who is a Catholic, has a deeply Protestant and Puritan ecclesiology in which he anoints himself competent to kick people out of the Christian fold when the Church\u2019s bishops do no such thing \u00a0with people like Obama but instead recognize (as you do) that somebody who is baptized and professes Jesus as savior is, in some sense\u2013albeit in Obama\u2019s case\u00a0very imperfectly\u2013a Christian. You can, for instance, note that when Obama offers an\u00a0admirable Christian message in many respects and even quotes the Pope<\/a>\u00a0he does so, not because he is a secret Muslim or atheist (or both in the confused minds of combox bishops) but because he is a Leftist Protestant Christian formed in that tradition. \u00a0At the same time, you can also\u00a0note that both the President, and his Catholic Vice President, carefully avoided mentioning what the Pope has said about every unborn child bearing the face of the Lord<\/a>\u2014 not to mention marriage and the family, and every child having a right to a mother and father.<\/a>\u00a0 You can note, in short, that he is a Protestant who is picking and choosing from the Tradition, rather as Matt Walsh does on other matters. \u00a0Only Obama is more straightforward about his dissents from Catholic teaching than Walsh and similar combox bishops are.<\/p>\n

In short, it is Puritans who go around searching for the impure to exclude from grace, not the Church. \u00a0That\u2019s why, despite the ardent desires of the combox bishops, excommunication is an extraordinarily rare thing and why the Church emphasizes what we can find in common with non-Catholics, not how we can declare them to be cut off from Christ.<\/p>\n

My own take on this was put to paper a few years ago in a piece I wrote for Crisis<\/em> called \u201cThere Ain\u2019t No Pure Church<\/a>\u201c.\u00a0 The key grafs are these:<\/p>\n

I have no problem acknowledging that non-Catholic Christians are in some real (albeit imperfect) union with the Church and will even accept as Christian (in some sense) anybody who names the Name. This includes Mormons<\/a>, Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses, and other people who are very far out at the end of the bell curve theologically. Doesn\u2019t mean I have to think they are good Christians either theologically, morally, or intellectually. All it means is that when some confused human being comes staggering down the road of life and is trying to get to Jesus crying, \u201cSon of David, have mercy on me, a sinner,\u201d I\u2019m not going to be the one to say, \u201cGet lost!\u201d After all, Jesus didn\u2019t tell me to get lost \u2014 and I really was lost and more ignorant of Jesus than a Mormon or a Jehovah\u2019s Witness. Who am I, then, to grab one of these by the lapels and shout, \u201cPay me the orthodoxy you owe me\u201d? Best to do like Priscilla and Aquila did with the half-baked Apollos and \u201cexpound to him the way of God more accurately\u201d (Acts 18:26).<\/p>\n

Bottom line: \u201cEverybody is a material heretic,\u201d said a priest I once knew. That is, nobody fully lives or believes the gospel. We\u2019re all a bunch of slobs and losers and incorrigibly average people, including the people who don\u2019t want to be associated with slobs, losers, and average people. And I\u2019m the biggest slob, loser, and average sinner of them all, yet God still loves even me and lets me come to Mass and receive the astounding gift of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus. Why should I tell any other Catholic they aren\u2019t welcome? That\u2019s the bishop\u2019s job, not mine. It\u2019s weeds and wheat till the Last Day.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Like it or not, the self-appointed combox bishops have to deal with the fact that Obama is not a Muslim, just as he was not born in Kenya.\u00a0 He is, by his own profession, a Christian. More precisely, he is a liberal Christian formed in the tradition of the African-American Social Justice Churches that coalesced out of the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s. He was baptized and has never renounced his baptism but has, on the contrary, repeatedly declared himself a believer in Jesus Christ.\u00a0 The only way around this is to perform the same foolish mind-reading gymnastics as the Fundamentalist who declares \u201cOh but you do worship Mary!\u201d when a Catholic declares that he does not. \u00a0Some, to be sure, are foolish enough to do this, declaring him a \u201csecret Muslim\u201d and his professions of faith in Christ to be lies. \u00a0But if we accept such silliness, we must also accept it when somebody tells us we Catholics \u201csecretly\u201d worship Mary despite all our protests to the contrary.<\/p>\n

That said, we Catholics need not accept the proposition that Obama is an especially good Christian when he contradicts or is ignorant of Catholic teaching on various matters. \u00a0The rule of thumb, not just for Obama, but most especially for ourselves is that the Church, not we, should be trusted in arguments with the Magisterium. \u00a0But we should be very cautious of arrogantly declaring anybody to be cut off from or unacceptable to Jesus based on our ignorant opinion of them.\u00a0 Remember always Uncle Screwtape\u2019s advice to the tempter Wormwood about how hell loves to sucker us into judgment of others as they stumble after Jesus while forgetting our own sin and stupidity:<\/p>\n

All you then have to do is to keep out of his mind the question \u201cIf I, being what I am, can consider that I am in some sense a Christian, why should the different vices of those people in the next pew prove that their religion is mere hypocrisy and convention?\u201d You may ask whether it is possible to keep such an obvious thought from occurring even to a human mind. It is, Wormwood, it is! Handle him properly and it simply won\u2019t come into his head. He has not been anything like long enough with the Enemy to have any real humility yet. What he says, even on his knees, about his own sinfulness is all parrot talk. At bottom, he still believes he has run up a very favourable credit-balance in the Enemy\u2019s ledger by allowing himself to be converted, and thinks that he is showing great humility and condescension in going to church with these \u201csmug,\u201d commonplace neighbours at all. Keep him in that state of mind as long as you can.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The \u201cgood Christians\u201d who are so ready, willing, and able to read others out of all contact with the grace of Christ may find themselves unpleasantly surprised if the measure they use is, as Jesus warns, measured to them.\u00a0 Doesn\u2019t mean we can\u2019t confront people when their version of Christianity does not comport with the Church\u2019s teaching.\u00a0 We have an obligation to do so, in fact.\u00a0 But we must not appoint ourselves as judge, jury, and executioner of the faith of other Christians when they err or sin.\u00a0 Obama calls himself a believer in Jesus Christ.\u00a0 Who am I to say he isn\u2019t?\u00a0 I believe in Jesus and I have believed grave errors and done great evils at times.\u00a0 Catholics have to abandon the Puritan folly of saying that a Christian who does something they dislike \u201cisn\u2019t really a Christian\u201d.\u00a0 It is far more accurate to say that such a one is a bad Christian\u2013bad morally or intellectually or sacramentally, for instance\u2013than to say they are not \u201creally\u201d Christian.\u00a0 Use every man according to his desserts and who shall \u2018scape whipping?<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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