{"id":13534,"date":"2016-08-14T01:00:35","date_gmt":"2016-08-14T08:00:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/?p=13534"},"modified":"2016-08-14T07:21:50","modified_gmt":"2016-08-14T14:21:50","slug":"a-buddhist-god-or-a-verse-in-the-great-song","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2016\/08\/a-buddhist-god-or-a-verse-in-the-great-song.html","title":{"rendered":"A Buddhist God? Or, A Verse in the Great Song?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/81\/2016\/08\/music.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-13541\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/81\/2016\/08\/music-224x300.png\" alt=\"music\" width=\"374\" height=\"450\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-13541\"><\/a><br>\n<em>There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, uncompounded. If there were not this unborn\u2026 then there would be no deliverance here visible form what is born, become, made, compounded. But sincere there is an unborn, unbecome, unade, uncompounded, therefore a deliverance is visible for what is born, become, made compounded.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>(Repeated in both the <em>Udana<\/em> and the <em>Itivuttaka<\/em> texts from the <em>Khuddaka Nikaya<\/em>, translated by Maurice Walshe, slightly modified.)<\/p>\n<p>I found this passage in Stephen Batchelor\u2019s controversial and wonderful <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/After-Buddhism-Rethinking-Dharma-Secular\/dp\/030020518X\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">After Buddhism<\/a> (more on this in the future). Here we get the closest <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a> scriptures ever come to describing what in Hinduism is called Atman and in the West is called God. For the West this passage from the Pali scriptures is perhaps not all that close. <\/p>\n<p>Except, for each, maybe among some of the mystics. <\/p>\n<p>Me, I find putting this and say the vision of God we find at the end of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/BOOK-JOB-Stephen-Mitchell\/dp\/0060969598\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">book of Job<\/a> a bit like the relationship between pantheism and panentheism. For people who find resonance with the world-is-divine the idea of something extra like God as a person talking to Job makes little sense. For those who find resonance with the divine as some human-like power creating and directing the course of existence the world as divine is reductive, vastly too insufficient.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m moved by the encounter in Job. But, I find that bare thing described in the Pali canon touches something deep within me. Hinting. Mysterious. And, still, not quite right. Not quite my own experience. First, as I\u2019ve railed on about in the past, and which Stephen Batchelor documents with unsettling persistence in <em>After Buddhism<\/em>, this isn\u2019t about reification, adding capital letters to those words unborn, unbecome, etc \u2013 as, is, in fact, done in Maurice Walshe\u2019s original translation. It\u2019s vastly more subtle.<\/p>\n<p>But, where Mr Batchelor and I appear to disagree is that for me this encounter is so amazing that even while it is rife with many dangers, using the overblown language of religion, using even the word God, maybe even using those capital letters when trying to describe that place, that encounter, that moment when self and other fall away feels to me pretty right.<\/p>\n<p>On my Facebook feed a meme has been popping up a fair bit recently. It\u2019s a quote from the Christian friar and theologian Fr Richard Rohr, \u201cWe worshiped Jesus instead of following him on his same path. We made Jesus into a mere religion instead of a journey toward union with God and everything else. This shift made us into a religion of \u2018belonging and believing\u201d instead of a religion of transformation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Buddhists are much better about the path, but, what precisely is the encounter, and what is that transformation?<\/p>\n<p>And, is there something common that informs the different religions? To anyone who has seriously studied them, the idea that all religions are different paths leading to the same summit makes little sense. Sure looks like a lot of different mountains. And. And, there seems somewhere down deep connections, similarities within the vast differences.<\/p>\n<p>And for me these words from the Sutta are all pointing to some deep human intuition, longing, and experience imperfectly presented in all religions. Even Buddhism. Even Christianity. And, yes, I catch the dangers of my making that assertion. I am either past presumptuous or certainly tottering at the edge of hubris. But. But this is confession as much as assertion. And that text from the Pali is for me a little closer to the real mystery at the heart of our stories about that great encounter, which describing never seems quite to meet the experience, but which rests in my heart and pulls me and pushes me.<\/p>\n<p>Which brings me to one of the most important texts I have out of the Christian scriptures. All of it through a glass darkly.<\/p>\n<p>Words are not it. And, as another teacher told me, even words are it. So, knowing the problems, always falling short, I keep trying to put words to it. Or, find them.<\/p>\n<p>For me Ranier Maria Rilke describes what I\u2019m trying to approach in ways that are wildly resonant for my experience in his \u201cWidening Circles.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>I live my life in widening circles\u2028<br>\nthat reach out across the world.\u2028<br>\nI may not complete this last one\u2028<br>\nbut I give myself to it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I circle around God, around the primordial tower.\u2028<br>\nI\u2019ve been circling for thousands of years\u2028<br>\nand I still don\u2019t know: am I a falcon,\u2028<br>\na storm, or a great song?<\/p>\n<p>Not knowing. Ah, the true song of God. Only don\u2019t know. <\/p>\n<p>And then?<\/p>\n<p>Falcon?<\/p>\n<p>Storm?<\/p>\n<p>A verse from some great song?<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/W3RtyiFDlqE\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, uncompounded. If there were not this unborn\u2026 then there would be no deliverance here visible form what is born, become, made, compounded. But sincere there is an unborn, unbecome, unade, uncompounded, therefore a deliverance is visible for what is born, become, made compounded. 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