{"id":1481,"date":"2008-07-03T14:13:00","date_gmt":"2008-07-03T14:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2008\/07\/changsha-takes-a-step\/"},"modified":"2011-11-01T15:13:04","modified_gmt":"2011-11-01T19:13:04","slug":"changsha-takes-a-step","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2008\/07\/changsha-takes-a-step.html","title":{"rendered":"Changsha Takes A Step"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/bp3.blogger.com\/_niPwTW3rBbU\/SG0pKEkM4xI\/AAAAAAAABEY\/z7uAV_NPlhU\/s1600-h\/tree2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;float: right;cursor: pointer\" src=\"https:\/\/bp3.blogger.com\/_niPwTW3rBbU\/SG0pKEkM4xI\/AAAAAAAABEY\/z7uAV_NPlhU\/s400\/tree2.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><br><span style=\"font-style: italic\">Changsha had a monk ask Master Hui, \u201cWhat about before you saw Nanquan?\u201d <\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Hui sat still for a little while.<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">\u201cWhat about after seeing him?\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">\u201cNothing special.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">The monk returned and told Changsha this. Changsha said:<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">\u201cThe enlightened person sits on the top of a hundred-foot pole;<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">She has entered the way but is not yet genuine.<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">She must take a step from the top of the pole,<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">And worlds in the ten directions will be her complete body.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">The monk asked, \u201cHow shall I step from the top of a hundred-foot pole?\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">\u201cMountains of Lang; waters of Li.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">\u201cI don\u2019t understand.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\">\u201cFour seas and five lakes are all under the reign of the monarch.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">The Book of Serenity, Case 79<\/span><br>(translated by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.joansutherland.net\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Joan Sutherland<\/a> &amp; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pacificzen.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Tarrant<\/a>)<span style=\"font-weight: bold\"><br><\/span><\/span><br>Faith.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve mentioned some of the listservs to which I belong on occasion. One I\u2019ve belonged to since its inception is the <a href=\"http:\/\/www25.uua.org\/uubf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Unitarian Universalist <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a> Fellowship<\/a> list. It has gone through various incarnations over the years. Never heavy traffic, more episodic, lying fallow for considerable time, then bursts of energy. It has had its share of trolls and other fantastic creatures for various periods of time, but on balance has tended to self-regulate rather well, and for the most part I\u2019ve been glad to be part of the \u201ccommunity,\u201d if mostly as a lurker.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m particularly impressed with the current roster of contributers which now numbers a couple of scholars who contribute regularly enough to help keep it on track, as well as enthusiasts standing in various disciplines or none. Each, I feel, has something to offer, and frequently does\u2026<\/p>\n<p>A recent thread has addressed the issue of faith, and particularly faith within <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhism<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Faith.<\/p>\n<p>That thread immediately fired off a memory of my asking Jiyu Kennett Roshi, oh, maybe a hundred years ago, just exactly how much faith did I have to have to become a Zen student? As I had already been sitting for a year or two, I\u2019m not sure what my motive was. Maybe I was asking how much faith I needed to continue? I\u2019m sure the three or so times Jesus rebuked his followers with the words \u201coh ye of little faith,\u201d couldn\u2019t have been far from my mind\u2026<\/p>\n<p>She suggested to practice Zen one probably needed to believe there was a reasonable chance it would be better than not practicing Zen.<\/p>\n<p>I was relieved as that level of faith only stretched my credulity a bit\u2026<\/p>\n<p>As the contributors to the UUBF list are either Unitarian Universalists or people who like to hang out with Unitarian Universalists, first everyone had to argue over how to define the word faith. For at least one contributor the word has been so contaminated by the way it seems most Christians use the word, that is to stand for belief in something in spite of a lack of convincing evidence, that it should have no place in Buddhist thought, conservative or liberal.<\/p>\n<p>I personally would demure here. It was at a Christian seminary that I was schooled to use the word \u201cbelief\u201d for that \u201cability to believe what you know ain\u2019t so.\u201d (Thank you <a href=\"http:\/\/dayamati.blogspot.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Dayamati<\/a>, for reminding me of that line\u2026) and that faith should be seen as confidence or trust and also that this faith was dynamic, a verb, as it were: so, faith really is faithing\u2026 Engage, reflect, re-engage. For me Christian faith at its best is that, not the mental gymnastic that always leads me to wonder how orthodox Christians often think we religious liberals are the ones who believe anything we want\u2026<\/p>\n<p>And it probably is something like that same dynamic sense that led many translators to use \u201cfaith\u201d for the Buddhist term <span style=\"font-style: italic\">shraddha<\/span>, which is usually understood to mean confidence or trust.<\/p>\n<p>Faith.<\/p>\n<p>Then <a href=\"http:\/\/chaplaindanny.blogspot.com\/2007\/02\/interview-jeff-wilson.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeff Wilson<\/a>, a very, very interesting scholar of Buddhism and Unitarian Universalism and their contemporary encounters, added his own point.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cVirtually all Buddhists throughout history and the vast majority of those Buddhists living today undertook Buddhism as a system of faith, believing in multiple supernatural helping beings, invisible forces such as karma, the efficacy of prayer, life after death (and before birth!), magical powers, the sacredness of scripture, and putting their trust for their own salvation from suffering in the truth statements and attendant practices of Buddhism as a ecclesiastical and religious institution.  This is true for Buddhists in all sects throughout every culture and time period in Asia.  Clearly, faith is an integral part of \u2018Buddhism.'\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Which would suggest Buddhists have both kinds of faith as do Christians. (And how many others? I suggest the list is long\u2026)<\/p>\n<p>Then Jeff adds, \u201cBut if your question is whether this particular tiny minority of post-Enlightenment, Western, English-speaking Unitarian-Universalist convert Buddhists value faith in their approach to Buddhism, that is still an open question, whose answers I\u2019d be interested to learn from.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My people! Me, too\u2026<\/p>\n<p>And, oh my, faith.<\/p>\n<p>Which brings me back \u2019round to the koan I cited at the top of this reflection. Chosha was one of that herd of rare creatures nurtured by Nanquan, a dragon with a poisoned bite, it there ever were one. A hero as well as an ancestor\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Here he led the inquirer down a rosy path, pushing him to speak of his state before and after awakening.<\/p>\n<p>And if anything pivots on that magic word faith, it has to be such a moment in our lives when we step away from our preconceived notions into the boundless realm.<\/p>\n<p>Here belief must be cast away as the crutch it is, perhaps useful for a time, but not at that moment. The things we were taught as children may well have gotten us here. We can assume so.<\/p>\n<p>But, then, now, what?<\/p>\n<p>Faith?<\/p>\n<p>No, I don\u2019t think so.  (Even though ancestors call our way one of great doubt, great faith and great energy\u2026) The next crutch is our critical function. More than a crutch, really. A great gift, really.<\/p>\n<p>But, to find our heart\u2019s longing, after we\u2019ve made our way up that pole, painfully, slowly, then what? After we\u2019ve studied the sacred texts down to the bottom, after we\u2019ve mastered the disciplines of inquiry, and presence, then what?<\/p>\n<p>He tells us \u201cnothing special.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This is faith.<\/p>\n<p>So wonderful.<\/p>\n<p>But, it turns out, that too, is a crutch. A most refined and lovely place. But if we decide we want to live there, heaven becomes hell. It becomes a crutch sustaining a most refined ego.<\/p>\n<p>So, here Zen pushes us one more step: after our taste of awakening, then what? After we\u2019ve come to let self and other fall away, then what?<\/p>\n<p>After belief falls away?<\/p>\n<p>After faith falls away?<\/p>\n<p>What does it mean to step away from the hundred foot pole?<\/p>\n<p>Isn\u2019t that one more instance of faith? Isn\u2019t that the call of my seminary professors, to engage, then assess, then engage again?<\/p>\n<p>Or, are we going one step farther, out into unexplored space? A place where our whole body is revealed.<\/p>\n<p>Robert Frost had something to say on the subject, it seems.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-style: italic\"> The tree the tempest with a crash of wood<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>Throws down in front of us is not bar<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>Our passage to our journey\u2019s end for good,<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>But just to ask us who we think we are<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>Insisting always on our own way so.<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>She likes to halt us in our runner tracks,<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>And make us get down in a foot of snow<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>Debating what to do without an ax.<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>And yet she knows obstruction is in vain:<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>We will not be put off the final goal<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>We have it hidden in us to attain,<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>Not though we have to seize earth by the pole<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>And, tired of aimless circling in one place,<\/span> <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><br>Steer straight off after something into space.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Here, perhaps faith, but not mine, not yours.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Just faithing\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Just this\u2026<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/33904114-6071191002827010088?l=monkeymindonline.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Changsha had a monk ask Master Hui, \u201cWhat about before you saw Nanquan?\u201d Hui sat still for a little while. \u201cWhat about after seeing him?\u201d \u201cNothing special.\u201d The monk returned and told Changsha this. 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