{"id":1607,"date":"2008-04-01T07:17:00","date_gmt":"2008-04-01T07:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2008\/04\/varieties-of-faith-of-the-liberal-kind\/"},"modified":"2011-11-01T15:13:57","modified_gmt":"2011-11-01T19:13:57","slug":"varieties-of-faith-of-the-liberal-kind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2008\/04\/varieties-of-faith-of-the-liberal-kind.html","title":{"rendered":"Varieties of Faith (of the Liberal Kind)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_niPwTW3rBbU\/R_IdmkKtsRI\/AAAAAAAAA0Y\/mumok3yp0tE\/s1600-h\/flamingchalice.GIF\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;float: left;cursor: pointer\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_niPwTW3rBbU\/R_IdmkKtsRI\/AAAAAAAAA0Y\/mumok3yp0tE\/s200\/flamingchalice.GIF\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><br>Over at <a href=\"http:\/\/uuworld.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">UU World Online<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/freeandresponsible.blogspot.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Doug Muder<\/a> has contributed another of his thoughtful essays, this one <a href=\"http:\/\/uuworld.org\/ideas\/articles\/103560.shtml\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Unfinished with Christianity<\/a>. Within a context of how he finds it hard to have an \u201celevator speech,\u201d a succinct statement of liberal religious faith, Doug argues much more expansively (and I\u2019m sure, persuasively) than I write here how we need to struggle with our faiths of origin and as Unitarian Universalists, whatever else may also be true, our faith of origin is Christianity.<\/p>\n<p>I, too, have had that trouble coming up with brief statements. (And it\u2019s not just because I\u2019m a minister and therefore by definition a gasbag\u2026)<\/p>\n<p>I know when I try to describe Unitarian Universalism to people I have to say a few things along the line of how somewhere in the first part of the twentieth century Unitarian Univeralism shifted from a liberal Christian faith to a liberal faith with Christians. And others, many others\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Then I find I have to observe while we may for the most part be \u201cpost-Christian,\u201d we remain protestant, that is we have a distinct spiritual culture that is Protestant Christian to most observers. In fact I suspect a Martian visiting would think we are Christian, even our most fervent Humanists, at least when gathered together on a Sunday\u2026<\/p>\n<p>For me, like for many others, I think, this is additionally difficult as we have found some core to our Unitarian Universalism that is to some degree idiosyncratic. So, I\u2019m a Zen <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a>. Even ordained as a Soto Zen Buddhist priest in more or less good standing with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.szba.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">North American institution<\/a>\u2026<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve tried to reconcile this with my oft repeated self-description of having a Buddhist brain, a Christian heart and a Humanist stomach\u2026<\/p>\n<p>But more and more these days I think of that Christian part.<\/p>\n<p>On a couple of occasions lately I\u2019ve found myself saying I\u2019m a Zen Christian\u2026<\/p>\n<p>But that doesn\u2019t work, completely, either.<\/p>\n<p>And it certainly doesn\u2019t unpack what it is we are collectively, we who claim and are claimed by Unitarian Universalism.<\/p>\n<p>I suspect this is a conversation that will go on for some time.<\/p>\n<p>So\u2026<\/p>\n<p>More anon\u2026<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/33904114-4534535475546564933?l=monkeymindonline.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over at UU World Online, Doug Muder has contributed another of his thoughtful essays, this one Unfinished with Christianity. 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