{"id":176,"date":"2011-05-13T13:20:00","date_gmt":"2011-05-13T13:20:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2011\/05\/seeking-the-god-beyond-god\/"},"modified":"2011-11-01T15:02:10","modified_gmt":"2011-11-01T19:02:10","slug":"seeking-the-god-beyond-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2011\/05\/seeking-the-god-beyond-god.html","title":{"rendered":"Seeking the God Beyond God"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left\">\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-IM6rEZljems\/Tc1oEara45I\/AAAAAAAADz4\/pdJRjpUn3Vo\/s1600\/bodhidharma_water.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-IM6rEZljems\/Tc1oEara45I\/AAAAAAAADz4\/pdJRjpUn3Vo\/s320\/bodhidharma_water.jpg\" width=\"163\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><i>\u201cThe problem with the idea of one God is that it is either one too many, or not nearly enough.\u201d<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Walt Wieder<\/p>\n<p>I continue to sit with the program I endured at my recent local  Unitarian Universalist clergy retreat, \u201cWhose Are You?\u201d It privileged a  classical theistic view, a dualistic universe with a deity that is  personally involved in the lives of people, intervening in events.  Specifically it turned on a calling of a person to a specific work. In  this case ministry. But it also implied the utility of petitionary  prayer.\u00a0 We were invited at some point to pray for each other. I gather  from comments in the full form of the curriculum this aspect of praying  is even more pronounced.<\/p>\n<p>Now for most religious communities in the West, what\u2019s the beef? Isn\u2019t that how it works? Why should I take umbrage at this?<\/p>\n<p>Of course those who know Unitarian Universalists know it is nowhere near  so cut and dried. While the roots are deep within Protestant  Christianity, the rationalist part of the movement has taken a sharp  turn toward non-theism. The two principal theological currents for much  of the twentieth century have been humanism and naturalistic mysticism.<\/p>\n<p>So, attending a workshop for UU clergy, which modeled everyone to  respond in dualistic theistic ways is worth noting and reflecting upon.<\/p>\n<p>I recall more than twenty years ago when I first embarked upon the path  to becoming a Unitarian Universalist minister and meeting with some who  were concerned about my <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhism<\/a> because it was so \u201cspiritual,\u201d and  therefore for some, indistinguishable from Christianity \u2013 and in this  seeing how I was part of a current that would likely be the dominant  form of Unitarian Universalism for a while, wondering a bit whether I  would find myself in the place of those disgruntled UUs who saw their  form of the tradition slipping into a minority place. And not  particularly liking it.<\/p>\n<p>This is partially true, I suspect. But there\u2019s much more to this, I  feel, than sensing one\u2019s contribution to the tradition isn\u2019t  appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>And, of course, it would be foolish to extrapolate too much from such a  small sample, twenty-five colleagues in New England. Still, the  curriculum was developed within the auspicious of the denomination and  has been used around the country. So, clearly it represents something\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Now, I have no problem with a multiplicity of stands within our liberal  tradition. It is how we work. The bottom line for us is a covenant to  not turn away, but rather to walk with.<\/p>\n<p>Cool.<\/p>\n<p>And I\u2019ve seen wisdom rising in the hearts of my classically theistic  friends. Often these things are just how we explain our deepest  experiences. I\u2019m cool with that. Really\u2026 <\/p>\n<p>And, I want to hold up the possibility of another way, perhaps one with fewer traps along the way\u2026<\/p>\n<p>This way has no problem with classic theistic language. The universe is  large and mysterious and the usages of tradition can be compelling. I  often refer to the whole mess as God without apology.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t even mind prayers as aspirations for others or oneself. Without  meaning this as dismissive, I find wishful thinking has its values. Our  wishes works as something mysterious within our human hearts.<\/p>\n<p>But. <\/p>\n<p>And.<\/p>\n<p>When we start to think of a deity that will fix things, or can, if we  move for a second beyond sentimentality, we encounter serious problems. A  deity that intervenes for this person but not that, who allows whole  populations to starve or be murdered while blessing others is not a god I  want to encounter in a dark alley. <\/p>\n<p>Now, if it were true, that\u2019s a different deal. But, from where I sit it  looks painfully like projection. Horses and their horse gods. And I see  no reason to project my sense of self onto the cosmos. Not only does the  mask not fit, but it misleads me about my place in the scheme of  things.<\/p>\n<p>Instead I suggest a different walk in this wilderness.<\/p>\n<p>One I think more useful. At least it has been so for me.<\/p>\n<p>In the great Zen classic anthology, the <i>Blue Cliff Record<\/i>, the very first case sets the matter up.<\/p>\n<p>The Emperor Wu of Liang asked Bodhidharma, \u201cWhat is the first principle of the holy teachings?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Bodhidharma replied, \u201cVast emptiness. Nothing holy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The emperor recoiled, and then asked, \u201cSo, who is this standing before me?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The master replied, \u201cI do not know.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The emperor did not understand and so the master crossed the river and went on to Wei.<\/p>\n<p>Later the emperor took of this matter with Master Zhigong. Zhigong asked him, \u201cDoes your majesty know who that is?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The emperor replied, \u201cI do not know him.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Zhigong said, \u201cThat was the Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, conveying the mindseal of the Buddha.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The emperor felt a wave of remorse and was about to order a messenger to  find the master Bodhidharma and beg him to return. But Zhigong said,  \u201cThere is no use in sending a messenger. Even if everyone in the country  went after him, he would not return.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This is no cheap relativism. This is not saying I don\u2019t know, and  neither do you. It is an invitation into the heart of the matter. <\/p>\n<p>Only don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p>I suggest this deep not knowing as the way.<\/p>\n<p>Opening heart.<\/p>\n<p>Opening mind.<\/p>\n<p>And not knowing.<\/p>\n<p>Only not knowing.<\/p>\n<p><i>(Thank you, Kate &amp; The Zen Community Aggregator for helping me to restore this\u2026)<\/i> <\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/33904114-8069104989278365405?l=monkeymindonline.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cThe problem with the idea of one God is that it is either one too many, or not nearly enough.\u201d Walt Wieder I continue to sit with the program I endured at my recent local Unitarian Universalist clergy retreat, \u201cWhose Are You?\u201d It privileged a classical theistic view, a dualistic universe with a deity that [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":120,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-176","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - 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