{"id":385,"date":"2010-10-25T06:29:00","date_gmt":"2010-10-25T06:29:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2010\/10\/god-is-not-the-problem-souls-are-a-brief-rant\/"},"modified":"2011-11-01T15:03:34","modified_gmt":"2011-11-01T19:03:34","slug":"god-is-not-the-problem-souls-are-a-brief-rant","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2010\/10\/god-is-not-the-problem-souls-are-a-brief-rant.html","title":{"rendered":"God Is Not the Problem. Souls Are. A Brief Rant"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_niPwTW3rBbU\/TMVcCiGIqpI\/AAAAAAAADjo\/5Y531tvv1rU\/s1600\/God\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_niPwTW3rBbU\/TMVcCiGIqpI\/AAAAAAAADjo\/5Y531tvv1rU\/s320\/God\" width=\"209\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>I think the new atheists just plain get it wrong. Not because they\u2019re so unpleasant in their pursuit of clean thinking, although that is too often true. They are wrong because they set their net to capture the wrong monster.<\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Now I applaud those who point out the problems in painting a human face on the cosmos, and the rather worse difficulties in assigning a human-like personality directing the flow of events. When you do that and then you look at what actually happens in this world, it is hard to avoid the thought any humanesque deity is a pretty nasty piece of work.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">I have a secondary quarrel when they insist only this divinity can be called God. For just about forever there have been other ways to engage the great sacred. Me, I have no quarrel with Spinoza\u2019s God or any similar observation about the cosmos in which we live and breathe and from which we take our being. If you step away from the projection of human personality onto the whole you can get something rather amazing, powerful, frightening, and just plain awesome. That\u2019s my God.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Me, I\u2019ve got no argument with that deity. Or, with those who like to concentrate on the multiplicity of it all and call it the gods, at least so long as they see these deities as expressions of the natural. <\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">With that caveat, one or many, boundless or pleroma, I find the universe is divine.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">I don\u2019t pray to it. Or, at least, I don\u2019t expect an answer. It doesn\u2019t work that way. All it offers is presence.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Within this presence meaning and meaningless burn away as human conceits.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">All that is left is just this.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Which, I find quite enough, thank you. <\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Sometimes more than enough\u2026<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Deity isn\u2019t the problem.<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">It is human beings hankering after living forever that\u2019s the source of so much ill. And if people are of a mind to hector their fellow beings about bad thinking, well this is the place where the energy might be more useful.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">We are constructs, flowing things, verbs, if you will.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">We are woven out of events, and are moments in eternity.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Precious. No doubt.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">But, passing things.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">There is no part of us that isn\u2019t part of the natural.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Only God, you can say, is eternal. And maybe not even the deity. But that isn\u2019t our problem. Ours is clinging to our passingness as if it were permanent.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">And, I think, those who think they live forever must deny their essential connection to this world.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">While I have no problem with the word soul standing for a perspective or stance, when it becomes a passenger riding in the body, but not of it, then the bad begins to happen.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Then the body of the world is torn asunder.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Then meaning and meaninglessness are born.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">And we begin to wander into byways that have no end.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Heaven.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Hell.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Reincarnation.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Wandering ever farther from our true home, our beginning, our sustenance, and our return.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Projections of human needs onto the cosmos. Meaning when there is none. And in recoiling, meaninglessness when there is none.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">All to no good.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Garbage in, garbage out.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Indeed, the ills that follow that illusion of separation seem pretty close to endless.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">This is the problem.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/33904114-7832730215218019474?l=monkeymindonline.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think the new atheists just plain get it wrong. 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