{"id":6361,"date":"2013-02-28T10:24:21","date_gmt":"2013-02-28T15:24:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/?p=6361"},"modified":"2013-02-28T10:57:04","modified_gmt":"2013-02-28T15:57:04","slug":"true-piety-toward-the-universe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/monkeymind\/2013\/02\/true-piety-toward-the-universe.html","title":{"rendered":"True Piety Toward the Universe"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/81\/2013\/02\/god.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/81\/2013\/02\/god.jpeg\" alt=\"\" title=\"god\" width=\"182\" height=\"277\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-6362\"><\/a><br>\nI serve on the organizing committee for a forming interfaith organization in Rhode Island.<\/p>\n<p>Last night we had a planning session with a host of folk, mostly Protestant &amp; Episcopal Christians, largely clergy, a small handful of rabbis, a Quaker, two Bahai, two muslims, one an imam, someone from a New Thought church, me, and, what I found kind of wonderful, they\u2019d asked a representative of a local Humanist organization to come, and he did.<\/p>\n<p>It set me to thinking god thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>Generally I consider myself a nontheist. But, I also know, folk who come to church might take a couple of months or even a year of two to notice \u2013 as I freely use traditional Western spiritual language. I think it a good thing that my call to the depths can be heard from a variety of spiritual perspectives.<\/p>\n<p>But, and\u2026<\/p>\n<p>I have to admit nothing like spending a couple of hours among the godly to bring out the atheist in me.<\/p>\n<p>Now, don\u2019t get me wrong, a couple of the people at that meeting I count as dear friends. And I don\u2019t mean Facebook friends. I mean real friends, help move a body friends.<\/p>\n<p>But\u2026 And\u2026<\/p>\n<p>My problem with most of god talk as we get it from the theistic community, is the ingrained assumption there is an entity that acts within history and in particular interferes with our individual lives.<\/p>\n<p>For the life of me I cannot figure out how people can look at their lives and think that.<\/p>\n<p>Or, think that and assume the deity involved is benign\u2026<\/p>\n<p>And\u2026 But\u2026<\/p>\n<p>This is too bad, because God is a perfectly good word to point to the great mess\u2026<\/p>\n<p>As Santayana has been said to say, \u201cMy atheism, like that of Spinoza, is a true piety toward the universe, and denies only the gods fashioned in men\u2019s own image, to be servants of their human interests.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Why do people want such a smaller god?<\/p>\n<p>Why would piety be aimed in any lesser direction?<\/p>\n<p>I know, I know, more of those unanswerable questions\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Or, maybe not.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe our little interfaith and non-faith group might take this up someday.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d pay to be there for that conversation\u2026<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/W9mhsW5aWJM\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I serve on the organizing committee for a forming interfaith organization in Rhode Island. 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