{"id":29,"date":"2011-11-03T13:04:00","date_gmt":"2011-11-03T13:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/mormontherapist\/2011\/11\/how-does-our-polygamous-history-affect-our-current-relationships\/"},"modified":"2011-11-03T13:04:00","modified_gmt":"2011-11-03T13:04:00","slug":"how-does-our-polygamous-history-affect-our-current-relationships","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/mormontherapist\/2011\/11\/how-does-our-polygamous-history-affect-our-current-relationships.html","title":{"rendered":"How does our polygamous history affect our current relationships?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left\"><span style=\"color: #38761d\">I have a unique relational issue that only pertains to us as Latter-day Saints. We believe if we are sealed together as husband and wife, and we honor our covenants, we will be together as husband and wife for eternity. That seems like a simple enough doctrine. However, we also believe widows and widowers may remarry upon the death of their spouse. Then we have sealing policies that allow living men to be sealed to more than one woman. Although we don\u2019t allow living women to be sealed to more than one man, after she dies, we will seal her to all the husbands she had in mortality. Therefore, at the end of the day, men will be sealed to all the wives they had, and women will be sealed to all the husbands they had in mortality. At this point, this is where our doctrine gets cloudy. Some say we\u2019ll all retain our agency, and we\u2019ll have to \u201caccept\u201d any ordinances performed. However, there is nothing in the church handbook that says anyone will have to choose anything. Over and over again, leaders have said if you keep your covenants, you will be with whoever it is you entered into a sealing with. What does this have to do with me?<\/span>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">This study of the significance of eternal marriage has been going on since my wife informed me, after the birth of our first two children about five years into our marriage, that if I were to die, \u201cof course she would remarry. She would need someone to provide support for her and the kids, and help raise them.\u201d My witty comeback was \u201cI\u2019m sure that\u2019s just what you would tell your new husband on your honeymoon night! When you have sexual relations in exchange for something of value ( a paycheck and help with diapers) I think that\u2019s called prostitution.\u201d And I don\u2019t think, after being married to Husband No. 2 and\/or bearing children with him, she would have divorced him at some point so she could prepare to spend eternity with me. Of course she countered she would stay married to Husband No. 2 in order to prepare to spend eternity with me. You know, she would \u201cpractice\u201d with him so she would be a better eternal spouse for me. Somehow, her answer and her outlook on eternal marriage and our sealing did not provide me one bit of comfort. In fact, it told me loud and clear that she had not made up her mind that she wanted to spend eternity with me, despite all the pronouncements of \u201clove\u201d and \u201cyou\u2019re the only one\u201d and so forth, uttered prior to and immediately after our sealing. Of course, from her perspective, having been brought up and taught that \u201cmost definitely, men will have more than one wife in the Celestial Kingdom,\u201d it only makes sense that she would want to even the score, even if only for a period of her mortal life. She was raised with the idea that once a woman is sealed, that\u2019s it. Presuming she and her first husband don\u2019t break any major commandments, they will be together in the Celestial Kingdom. It doesn\u2019t matter if the husband dies and the wife remarries because she wouldn\u2019t be able to be sealed to the second husband. The first husband would have to accept the fact that his wife loved another man, and that somehow she just wouldn\u2019t \u201clove\u201d her second husband in the same way and manner as the first, and wouldn\u2019t want to be with him forever. And if the wife died and the husband was sealed to another sister, then the first wife would come to \u201caccept\u201d polygamy in the eternities. And if two people married \u201cfor time only\u201d because they were already sealed, then that marriage was \u201cjust for their convenience and companionship.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">From that point forward I\u2019ve wondered what the doctrine was, why we say we\u2019re married for time and all eternity when it appears we\u2019re really not; why it is \u201cokay\u201d to remarry, and what the possible effects of remarriage would have with respect to the eternities. None of my questions affect non-members because most of the Christian world believes we\u2019ll all be one big happy \u201cfamily\u201d in the eternities, that there won\u2019t be family units, no husbands and wives, parents and children. Therefore, for nonmembers, \u201ctill death do you part\u201d presents no problem with respect to remarriage. In fact, non-members should remarry freely and easily because there is no expectation of an eternal relationship with their spouse. But that certainly isn\u2019t the case with Latter-day Saints. There is no \u201copen\u201d discussion of remarriage. When the topic comes up, people generally clam up or squirm in their chairs. When we hear of widows or widowers remarrying, congratulations and well wishing are everywhere. But no one dares ask: \u201cWhat impact do you think this will have on your first sealing? You say you\u2019re just remarrying to \u201ctake care of one another.\u201d Do you really think that\u2019s all a second marriage is? What are you going to do as your love for one another grows? What\u2019s going to happen to your relationship with your prior spouse?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">I\u2019ve wondered \u2013 what would happen to me? If I had died after 5 or 10 years of marriage and my wife had remarried another righteous man, had children with him, and been married to him for another 40 or 50 years, would I just have to accept the fact that she had loved another man for that time period, but that I would have her for eternity? I\u2019m pragmatic. Why would my wife want to spend eternity with me if she had just spent 20, 30, 40 or 50 or even 60 years married to another man? What of the example of the woman married to the 7 brothers in the scriptures? What if she loved Husband No. 7 best of all? And what if the shoe were on my foot? Why would I remarry or even consider it? Or, could I remarry without worry and no matter what, my first wife would just have to accept my second wife as a plural wife? Or would I look for a previously sealed woman so I could tell children and family that remarriage was just \u201cto be taken care of.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">Initially, I had convinced myself that if I died and my wife remarried, I guess she would \u201chave\u201d to spend eternity with me, even if she loved her second husband more than me. I actually almost felt sorry for her if she were to find herself in that predicament! But once I learned that we can seal women to all husbands they\u2019ve had in mortality, that really made matters confusing. If she had remarried, what would become of me if she eventually chose Husband No. 2 over me? Would she have to choose either one of us? Would she have two husbands in the eternities? Would I have a chance to find another wife in the Spirit World? If there isn\u2019t plural marriage in the eternities, and presuming she marries a man who is worthy of the Celestial Kingdom, why wouldn\u2019t she want to be with him for eternity as opposed to me? Would her choice be directly proportional to the amount of time married? How could I choose between my first wife and my second wife? Would I have to choose at all? Would any of us have to \u201cchoose\u201d at all, or would Heavenly Father just put people randomly together? Or, because He is our Father and knows us so well, would He basically put us all in arranged marriages? And if there is plural marriage, then why all this fuss over fidelity in mortality? Why isn\u2019t our church culture such that we should all strive to be married as much of our adult lives as possible? If it\u2019s no big deal to remarry, then why do people feel any guilt at all? Why don\u2019t leaders encourage members to embark on a dating spree as soon as the funeral is over? And I used to think if I outlived my wife, then maybe my chances were better. But once I fell upon the idea of dating in the Spirit World, that shot down all my hopes! I have experienced a sampling of my wife\u2019s \u201cout of sight \u2013 out of mind\u201d tendencies. Based on that experience, along with those comments made early in our marriage and others she\u2019s made since, I don\u2019t think she intends to stay \u201csingle\u201d any longer than is necessary, whatever side of the veil she\u2019s on.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">I know we like to address the general rule and deal with the exceptions individually. (See talk by Elder Boyd K. Packer \u201cFollow the Rule\u201d, BYU Speeches, 14 Jan. 1977) That is a great strategy. But in this case, the general rule is that at some point after we\u2019re sealed, we\u2019re going to be single again. The odds of living to a ripe old age with your spouse and both of you dying in your sleep are extremely small. Therefore, you would think the general rule \u2013 an explanation of sealing policies and the effects of remarriage \u2013 would be readily known. A few minutes of internet browsing and searching and you\u2019ll see that the \u201cdoctrine\u201d is anything but readily known, nor are the temple sealing policies known to rank and file church members. I used to think I was the only church member who didn\u2019t understand the doctrine. Now I\u2019ve come to find out that no one understands it! I haven\u2019t found one clear, concise quote made public by any modern authority that answers the issues I\u2019ve raised. Add to that the contradictory statements found in talks and articles. Just when I think I understand everything, another leader will say something opposite. Despite clearly worded sealing policies, there is nothing in modern revelation outlining the effect of remarriage on sealings, plural marriage, agency, or what choices will have to be made in the after life. I\u2019ve never had to know the end result with respect to a particular set of circumstances, but I think a general understanding of principles is a fair inquiry. I know we\u2019ll be families in the eternities. I think we\u2019ll be monogamous with very little exception. That\u2019s why I believe any marriage (really any significant relationship) impacts the eternities, and therefore you had better be prepared to accept the consequences if you remarry.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">Will there be plural marriage in the eternities or not? If yes, then will men have plural wives? Will women have plural husbands? If I die and my wife remarries, and I am one of her plural husbands, will I have the chance to find another wife in the Spirit World so that I have plural wives, also? And if we won\u2019t have plural marriage will we have to choose one spouse out of the many to whom we might be sealed because of marriages entered into in mortality? Will only women have to pick, and not men? For those husbands or wives that are not \u201cpicked,\u201d will there be an opportunity in the Spirit World to find another spouse? I think those are fair questions. If we believe in plural marriage in the eternities, that there\u2019s nothing wrong with becoming one flesh with more than one person, there really is no incentive at all not to be married as much of your adult life as possible. If the ability to have romantic love for successive people is \u201cacceptable,\u201d doesn\u2019t show a lack of loyalty, and not against the laws of the land nor of the gospel, then why not try and be married as much as possible? (Like Bryant Hinckley) On the other hand, if we\u2019re going to be monogamous, then why would I allow myself to fall in love with another person, knowing my spouse is alive and well in the Spirit World? (Like Elder Richard G. Scott). Is our doctrine really serial monogamy in mortality, plurality or polyamorous in perpetuity?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">I am a \u201cwaiter\u201d married to a \u201cnon-waiter.\u201d Ever since I understood that my wife was, and still is, open to the idea of spending eternity with someone else, I have kept my feelings in check. Outwardly we have a wonderful marriage. We\u2019ve been married 30 years, raised 5 wonderful children. We\u2019re active and hold callings. But deep down inside there is an intimate part of me that refuses to give our marriage 100% because I don\u2019t really believe my wife has a desire to spend eternity with me. I provide for her comfort and care. I\u2019m often complimented on what a good husband I am. It\u2019s a passive aggressive kind of feeling. My wife would never commit adultery or otherwise not keep her basic covenants. But since remarriage is technically not in violation of temple covenants, the whole scheme of eternal marriage is placed in doubt.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not sure what type of response you are looking for from me on this issue but I will give you some of my ideas and general concerns for us as a culture at large.\u00a0 I agree the doctrine and history of polygamy within our church is complicated, unclear and even taboo.\u00a0 Since the early 1900\u2019s we have collectively separated ourselves from polygamy without in any shape or fashion coming to terms with it.\u00a0 We currently have an official statement saying we do not practice polygamy and we excommunicate members who do.\u00a0 However, as you have pointed out, on an eternal schema \u2013 the doctrinal territory is still very much in the open with no clarifying direction coming from our leaders.\u00a0 I am not in a position to offer that direction \u2013 which I agree is needed.\u00a0 My main concerns lie with the following considerations:<\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: left\">\n<li> Cultural myths and folklore regarding polygamy and its implications abound within our local congregations- including an underlying current that the practice could return.\u00a0 Belief thought to be doctrinal, yet often taken out of context or misinterpreted, exists and ranges dramatically in scope depending on your family history, religious history and ward\/geographical area you live in, etc.\u00a0 I have moved enough to know this is the case.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>For many areas where the church is fairly new, there is little to no  knowledge of our polygamous past.\u00a0 When the history catches up with  these members it is often times what causes them to feel betrayed enough  to leave the church. \u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Gender inequality in our temple ceremonies affect many current marriages and parenting positions.\u00a0 I have had several young, widowed female clients with children from the first marriage remarrying and unable to participate in the sealing ordinances of the temple because they had been sealed before.\u00a0 As you\u2019ve stated, this holds religious implications for both partners and their children that can seep into their relationships in ways neither intend.<\/li>\n<li>Lastly and going along with my last point, these beliefs of how we formulate the afterlife have serious implications for the current relationships we find ourselves in.\u00a0 Such as some of the examples you gave:\u00a0 holding back in our emotional commitment, being passive aggressive, doubting our spouse\u2019s commitment or loyalty towards us, doubting our faith, etc.\u00a0 These implications limit the intimacy potential of marriages in a way that is difficult to measure.\u00a0 And they hold true whether we stay married to just the one person we are sealed to or even more so if we find ourselves in the position of remarriage after death.\u00a0 This is highly concerning to me.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Back to your specific situation: My main concern lies with the fact that you are limiting your current earthly experience with your wife on \u201cknowledge\u201d regarding an afterlife we know very little about.\u00a0 I know as <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormons<\/a> we like to believe we know a lot about the afterlife \u2013 and we do have doctrinal insights not offered in other religious dogma that often bring great comfort and peace.\u00a0 However, I do not believe our Heavenly Parents would want \u201ctruth, light and knowledge\u201d to affect your every day actions and\/or mental status in a way that would distance you from your wife instead of bringing you closer to her.\u00a0 If you need help sorting this out, you may want to consider some individual and\/or marital counseling sessions with an LDS therapist who would understand the doctrinal issues behind your concerns. <\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d\">It\u2019s not a paralyzing issue.\u00a0 It\u2019s just something that is \u201cout there.\u201d\u00a0 I assume you\u2019re married and sealed in the temple.\u00a0 Have you had the discussion with your spouse?\u00a0 How do you feel about remarriage after being widowed?\u00a0 How would you react if your husband looks you in the eye and says \u201cHoney \u2013 I never want to be alone in mortality.\u00a0 After an acceptable period of mourning I will date and remarry someone.\u00a0 If she happens to have never been sealed before, then of course we\u2019ll be sealed together, and you\u2019ll have a sister wife.\u00a0 And if she has been previously sealed, then I will want our kids to be sealed to us together after we die, and I guess I\u2019ll have 2 wives, my second wife will have 2 husbands, and you and her first husband will only have one spouse.\u00a0 I guess that\u2019s just the way it goes.\u201d\u00a0 On the one hand, it\u2019s easy to say \u201cque sera, sera.\u201d\u00a0 We should be able to have those kind of conversations and not feel offended or hurt or anything else.\u00a0 Yet, because the doctrine on plural sealings is so \u201cup in the air,\u201d it means Latter-day Saint husbands and wives are in no better position to think about what they\u2019ll do after a spouse dies than are non-members.\u00a0 Knowing all we know about the Spirit World and Plan of Salvation and eternal marriage, you would think we would know exactly how re-marriage after the death of a sealed spouse would impact the eternities.\u00a0 But we don\u2019t know anything.\u00a0 Well, there really is nothing left to do except take one day at a time and make the most of our relationships while we\u2019re here on earth.\u00a0 I\u2019ve told myself time and time again not to worry about the day when my wife and I will be single again.\u00a0 As stated by a stake president, we\u2019ll all be single again, whether it\u2019s on this side of the veil or the other.\u00a0 Thanks for the insightful website.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes, I have thought about these issues as I\u2019m sure most married and single members have.\u00a0 And I agree that there is a lot of knowledge still to be desired.\u00a0 What I will state next are my own Mormonesque ideas, thoughts and beliefs on how I grapple with this topic to which anyone has the right to completely disagree with and discount:<br>I have always chosen to see the \u201csealing\u201d as more of an abstract connecting ritual of humankind \u2013 not a rigid, calculated way of tying people together through only the bounds of a marital relationship.\u00a0 I am one who chooses not to believe in polygamy in the sense of how deity is organized.\u00a0 It makes no logical and\/or emotional sense to me and I am glad to be part of a religion that taught me that truth would resonate within me.\u00a0 Anything else I am free to reject.\u00a0 I do believe in Heavenly Parents and I believe\u00a0 in eternal marriage.\u00a0 I believe in the anatomical symbology of husband and wife (meaning how our bodies fit together to create \u201cone\u201d) and the creative powers that lie within.\u00a0 My understanding of the gospel lies largely with metaphor \u2013 not so much concrete realities.\u00a0 It is how Christ taught and I am comfortable with symbols and given meaning depending on a given situation.\u00a0 For me, this earthly experience is a symbolic journey \u2013 foreshadowing things to come and presenting things that have been.\u00a0 I understand that we can love more than one person, have children with more than one person and this quickly makes our Mormon concept of eternal marriage with one companion complex.\u00a0 However, the concepts of agency, choice and the atonement are central to my belief as well as the concept of them taking place both in this world and in the hereafter.\u00a0 I do not believe these choices will necessitate a stop to relationships with those whom we love \u2013 we may, however,\u00a0 need to choose the type of relationship.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.<br>I do not feel that neither I nor my husband has a right to dictate what the other  should do if one of us were to die.\u00a0 In that sense the \u201ctil death do us part\u201d holds some logistical meaning.\u00a0 Things I believe now may change  rather quickly if I was faced with his untimely death, as I\u2019m sure they  would for him.\u00a0 Part of my current love and devotion to him is my decision to give him his  freedom and not dictate how he should love me.\u00a0 In the end my testimony  lies mainly in the power of love.\u00a0 I do not think any one of us can yet fully  understand its depth, its healing power, its ability to solve what may  now seem unsolvable.\u00a0 But it\u2019s the one thing I can say \u201cI know\u201d \u2013\u00a0 and it\u2019s the framework from which I choose to  live within the context of my present moment.\u00a0 In the end, our present moment is all we  truly have.\u00a0 And how sad it would be for a largely unknown future to hold my present  relationship hostage.\u00a0 <br>In my opinion, for us as Mormons to think we have the eternities figured out in all its complexities is ludicrous and quite pompous.\u00a0 The concept of eternity itself is mind blowing and completely foreign to our mortal and linear existence \u2013 where all we know are beginnings and ends.\u00a0 I am greatly thankful for the founders of our faith who were willing to enter the realms of the eternities with their questions, debate, discussion and progressive thoughts \u2013 allowing for inspiration to teach \u2013 and giving us insight we might otherwise not have.\u00a0 We can either allow the enormity of eternity to liberate us and help us hand our hearts and relationships over to God \u2013 or we can allow it to paralyze us with fear, anxiety and the delusion that we know more than we do.\u00a0 I hope we can enjoy the truths we find in our doctrine without allowing them to get in the way of one of the most precious gifts we currently have \u2013 the present moment shared with those we hold most dear. \u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>I would ask my readers to comment on this sensitive topic and how you feel the doctrines surrounding polygamy either directly or indirectly affect your marriage, your sense of self, your sense of deity, your sense of the afterlife, etc., etc.\u00a0 Thank you!\u00a0 Oh, and take my new poll on the sidelines\u2026.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have a unique relational issue that only pertains to us as Latter-day Saints. 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