{"id":67,"date":"2011-08-17T14:08:00","date_gmt":"2011-08-17T14:08:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/mormontherapist\/2011\/08\/is-my-marriage-out-of-my-hands\/"},"modified":"2011-08-17T14:08:00","modified_gmt":"2011-08-17T14:08:00","slug":"is-my-marriage-out-of-my-hands","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/mormontherapist\/2011\/08\/is-my-marriage-out-of-my-hands.html","title":{"rendered":"Is my marriage out of my hands?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left\"><span style=\"color: #134f5c\">Soon after we married 26 yrs ago, my husband changed, literally overnight, 180\u00b0 and has never been the same. He went from a happy, engaging husband to a brooding, depressed roommate. He was upset and miserable about everything. He doubted the church and 4 yrs later left the church. It was difficult understanding his disaffection but I tried to be accepting and accommodating. It was heartbreaking and challenging, but I loved him and wanted him to be happy. Over the years he has continued to withdraw emotionally and sexually. He has serious bouts of depression and rage. It\u2019s not directed at me and there\u2019s no physical abuse. Even so, his anger and despair are often more than I can handle.<\/span><br><span style=\"color: #134f5c\">It\u2019s been years since he\u2019s initiated lovemaking. At first it was just temporary disinterest. But the bouts of disinterest have lengthened and deepened. Having three kids and a couple serious injuries I struggle with being overweight. I\u2019ve honestly tried hard to lose weight. I\u2019m not horribly fat\u2014at least not Biggest Loser fat. If I lost 70 lbs I\u2019d be at my ideal weight. He assures me that my weight is not a problem for him (he\u2019s struggled with obesity, reaching 350 lbs for a while), that he actually likes women with \u201ca little meat on their bones.\u201d I know that part of my problem with food is that it is the one physical pleasure I can have, though not near as fun as sex. I know this is not healthy and I want to break this emotional connection with food. Feb of this year we made a deal that we would make love each time that I lost 20 lbs. It took me nearly 3 months to lose 20 lbs. But he won\u2019t make love to me. He won\u2019t even hold me or rub my back. I haven\u2019t gained the weight back and I\u2019m still determined to lose more. But that\u2019s it. I\u2019m done trying for physical love. What good is physical intimacy if I have to beg or bargain for it? I\u2019d even be OK without it if there were still emotional intimacy. But the only emotions he can display are anger or despair. Once in a while, maybe every 4-5 months I get my old husband\u2014the man I fell in love with\u2014back for a day or two. But it\u2019s always too short lived and I mourn what I\u2019ve lost.<\/span><br><span style=\"color: #134f5c\">Years ago I suggested counseling. He reluctantly agreed, but then refused to go. I went a few times, but really how much can you do when you go by yourself? I\u2019ve often suggested counseling since then\u2014both couple and individual. He says there\u2019s nothing anyone can say to make things better. He will freely admit to everything I\u2019ve told you but says it\u2019s all perfectly normal for someone whose life is as horrible as his is. It\u2019s true that he\u2019s had several big disappointments, but except for his toxic upbringing, the majority of the hard knocks were his making.<\/span><br><span style=\"color: #134f5c\">I understand that depression is an illness. I get it, I do. He also has Type 2 diabetes but he refuses to treat it. I know diabetes is a contributing factor to his low libido. You don\u2019t leave someone because they are sick. But I really don\u2019t know how to deal with his illness much less its impact on our relationship and me. He holds all the cards. Counseling? Doesn\u2019t need it. And anyway, it wouldn\u2019t help. No sex? Doesn\u2019t need it, he\u2019s getting old, what do you expect? This is normal. Anger or depressed? You\u2019d be angry or depressed too if you had his life.<\/span><br><span style=\"color: #134f5c\">I have virtually no outside support. Our families live far away and his family is pretty toxic. Because of his disaffection, our church family is indifferent at best, at times even hostile. Outside of our marriage I really do have a happy and, some would say, successful life. But it has become increasingly difficult to hold it all together. I had no say in his disaffection, no say when he quit diabetes treatment, no say when he lost interest in sex, no say in how he handles his emotions. He decides and my feelings are not a factor for him. He knows I\u2019m sad and he\u2019s sorry for it but says there\u2019s nothing he can do. This is what life has dealt him and I just have to accept it. If this really is all that\u2019s left to me, I\u2019ll make the best of it. I feel it\u2019s out of my hands, but is it really?<\/span>\n<p><span style=\"color: #134f5c\"><span style=\"color: black\">Lots of thoughts and your question has many dimensions, so here goes my best attempt:<br>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: left\">\n<li><span style=\"color: #134f5c\"><span style=\"color: black\">No, your marriage is not out of your hands!\u00a0 You have a choice whether or not to continue within the bonds of this marriage \u2013 just as does your husband.\u00a0 This choice is yours and it is important that you embrace this choice and your ability to make it \u2013 either way you go. <\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>What IS out of your hands, is the behavior\/attitude\/emotion\/illnesses your husband chooses and\/or is dealing with.\u00a0 At the same time, your husband -as are the rest of us- is subject to the consequences of how we conduct ourselves and lead our lives.\u00a0 Expecting someone to stay by your side in marriage without putting forth the effort to communicate, to be sexually intimate at some level, and to be emotionally available and supportive is not horribly realistic.\u00a0 After all, marriage is a contract between two <b>participating<\/b> individuals.\u00a0 When one partner refuses to participate then at some level the contract needs to be reworked.\u00a0\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>It is difficult for me to understand the complexities of the whys and whats of your relationship in a forum such as this one and without your husband\u2019s perspective.\u00a0 It sounds like something significant happened at the beginning of the relationship \u2013 possibly your husband\u2019s disaffection was a huge turning point not only in your marriage, but in his world view at large.\u00a0 My guess is that foundational reasons are more complex than just one and include a variety of factors \u2013 family of origin being one of them.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>When children are involved and when the relationship is long-term; I encourage couples to give marital counseling a good go.\u00a0 And by a \u201cgood go\u201d I mean going weekly for at least 6 months.\u00a0 Problems that have developed over years are not going to magically disappear with 3 sessions of counseling.\u00a0 At the end of six months, you would have a better idea as to whether or not you are heading down a healthier direction.\u00a0 There may still be work to be done.\u00a0 But at least the direction would be clearer.\u00a0\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Michele Weiner Davis writes about \u201cit takes one to tango\u201d in<a href=\"http:\/\/www.divorcebusting.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> <i>Divorce Busting<\/i><\/a><i>.<\/i>\u00a0 There is actually a lot you can do on your own to change the dance between you and your husband if he continues to refuse to join you in therapy.\u00a0 In fact, you speak to several topics that on an individual basis \u2013 whether or not your marriage improves \u2013 you can seek to improve for yourself (i.e. your emotional self-esteem, your relationship with food, your relationship with your body, etc.).\u00a0 There is nothing that I like about the deal you guys made to tie physical intimacy to your losing weight.\u00a0 Absolutely not a fair proposition for you or him and it downplays whatever the underlying issues are about physical intimacy to begin with.\u00a0 This is an enabling move on your part and takes responsibility away from your husband.\u00a0 I\u2019d love for you to address this further within therapy. <\/li>\n<li>Your husband dealing with depression and diabetes will be significant hurdles along the road \u2013 they affect motivation, libido, etc., etc.\u00a0 At the same time, there are many people with these disorders that receive successful treatment and that have satisfying relationships \u2013 including sex.\u00a0 Are there lifestyle changes involved?\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Does there need to be a commitment to seek professional treatment, try different medications, attend therapy?\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 This is what life has dealt him and so you just HAVE to accept it?\u00a0 Absolutely not.\u00a0 There is a difference between accepting things that cannot change and using \u201cacceptance\u201d as a justification to avoid change. <\/li>\n<li>No, we don\u2019t leave our spouses because they are sick.\u00a0 But we might if they refuse treatment or any attempt to get better and\/or neglect\/abuse us along the way.\u00a0 Two different concepts.\u00a0 You would not be leaving your husband because he is sick.\u00a0 You would leave because of emotional neglect.\u00a0 Don\u2019t allow yourself to be confused about these two concepts.\u00a0 Are you and he willing to be team players and come up with viable solutions for both as you face his illnesses or not?\u00a0 You\u2019re both responsible for answering this question in the affirmative if the marriage is going to survive successfully.\u00a0 After all, the illness in question is not dementia.\u00a0 For the most part, illness does not absolve us from personal responsibility.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"color: #134f5c\"><span style=\"color: black\">Suggestions:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: left\">\n<li><span style=\"color: #134f5c\"><span style=\"color: black\">Find yourself a good individual therapist.\u00a0 Deal with issues in regards to your own self-esteem and the role that you have played within your relationships. <\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Find yourself a good marriage therapist and go, with or without your husband (a therapist who has had training in marital work).\u00a0 I\u2019m OK with an ultimatum as long as you mean it and it\u2019s fair.\u00a0 Be clear with your husband about how you are feeling and the consequences of his not joining you in this venture.\u00a0 I wouldn\u2019t want him to be served divorce papers and say, \u201cI had no idea you were this upset or unhappy.\u201d\u00a0 Start making clear that divorce is a possibility (if it is).\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Be sure that your marriage therapist is comfortable and qualified to provide sex therapy.\u00a0 When there is a significant difference of libido within a couple they often find themselves in a catch 22 \u2013 a lose-lose where both feel they have to give up something fundamental.\u00a0 With a bit of creativity and mutual respect, most couples can find compromises to their sex lives that can provide sexual satisfaction instead of the frustration and feeling of failure that often ensues for both parties.\u00a0 There can be short-term solutions that can take care of immediate needs and then, as the relationship improves, segueways into longer term solutions that incorporate a more intimate stance.\u00a0 Expectations may need to be reworked since libido cannot be forced to recede or increase \u2013 but mutual and relational solutions can be found.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Read <a href=\"http:\/\/www.divorcebusting.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Divorce Busting<\/i><\/a>.\u00a0 It provides a good approach as to educating you on the risks of divorce and strategies for saving your marriage if at all possible.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>If you head down the path of divorce, it will be imperative that you understand your role in your current relationship so that you are less likely in repeating that role in your next relationship.\u00a0 Take time between relationships.\u00a0 Learn how to be on your own.\u00a0 Be aware of step-parenting dynamics and concerns. \u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Since you and your husband will continue to have a co-parenting relationship pretty much forever, it would behoove you both to figure out an amicable, supportive and respectful relationship.\u00a0 Hopefully by doing so, you can save your marriage.\u00a0 If not, you can at least co-parent effectively, the children will suffer less in the long run, and you will both be in a better position to find a more compatible partner.\u00a0 For these reasons I am a strong proponent of the \u201cgiving therapy a good go\u201d approach.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"color: #134f5c\"><span style=\"color: black\">I wish you the very best.\u00a0 You and your husband are both in a difficult, even heartbreaking position and I hope you can both find satisfaction, contentment, and emotional connection in your future.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Soon after we married 26 yrs ago, my husband changed, literally overnight, 180\u00b0 and has never been the same. 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