{"id":968,"date":"2013-04-25T11:15:02","date_gmt":"2013-04-25T16:15:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/mormontherapist\/?p=968"},"modified":"2013-04-25T12:23:43","modified_gmt":"2013-04-25T17:23:43","slug":"my-spouse-wants-a-divorce-but-i-dont","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/mormontherapist\/2013\/04\/my-spouse-wants-a-divorce-but-i-dont.html","title":{"rendered":"My spouse wants a divorce but I don&#8217;t&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div id=\"doc3\">\n<div id=\"bd\">\n<div id=\"yui-main\">\n<div id=\"pageContent\">\n<div id=\"rightContainer\">\n<div id=\"showMessagePage\">\n<div id=\"mailContent\">\n<div id=\"message833513537\">\n<div><em>I\u2019ve been married 32+ years to a wonderful woman.\u00a0 We\u00a0married early,\u00a0she was 20 and I was 24.\u00a0 We were both in college but\u00a0her family was critical and unsupportive when she was baptized (prior\u00a0to dating\u00a0me): she felt very alone.\u00a0 When we began dating, I was\u00a0in heaven; she\u00a0was [is] so beautiful and I felt so lucky that she would\u00a0have anything\u00a0to do with me.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t long before I popped the\u00a0question but she\u00a0did not give me an answer right away.\u00a0 I think I\u00a0understood this as\u00a0there was so much going on with her family and we were both\u00a0in school,\u00a0and I must have seemed like a loon to propose with no major\u00a0financial\u00a0prospects on the horizon.\u00a0 Three months later she\u00a0surprised me on my\u00a0birthday with a \u201cyes\u201d pointing out that months earlier\u00a0before we began\u00a0dating she had a dream about me and from what I recall of\u00a0it, she\u00a0concluded that she had been told by Heavenly Father that she\u00a0should\u00a0marry me.<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><em>With so much stress from her family and then mine, we eloped\u00a0to the\u00a0temple and were married with two temple workers and the\u00a0matron as\u00a0witnesses.\u00a0 Not exactly a fairy tale.\u00a0 Since she\u00a0and I had never been\u00a0intimate before marriage with each other or anyone else, I can only relate my first sexual\u00a0experience\u00a0that night as indescribable.\u00a0 I knew that I loved her\u00a0with all my\u00a0heart and have been \u201caddicted\u201d to making love to her\u00a0over the years\u00a0and none else, physically, emotionally and loving her in\u00a0every way that\u00a0a husband feels he should.<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><em>I eventually left school to work after getting\u00a0only an\u00a0associates degree while she completed her bachelors. We had\u00a0a child\u00a0and my wife decided she wanted to go to law school. We\u00a0relocated to\u00a0another part of the country, where I was hired by the first\u00a0company I\u00a0interviewed at, a month or so before my wife and daughter\u00a0moved out to\u00a0the apartment I rented.\u00a0 While in law school she had\u00a0our son and at\u00a0graduation she was given a standing ovation while she held\u00a0him in her\u00a0arms to get her diploma.<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><em>It\u2019s now been 32+ years since we eloped to the temple.\u00a0\u00a0In that time\u00a0we\u2019ve seen three marriage counselors (non LDS). At the first\u00a0counselor\u00a0my wife turned to me and said, \u201c\u2026When we got married, I\u00a0didn\u2019t love\u00a0you.\u201d\u00a0 This crushed me.\u00a0 I had loved only her\u00a0and while I am not the\u00a0brightest bulb in the box, my heart and devotion to her\u00a0never wavered.\u00a0 Since then, we\u2019ve seen two other counselors and it has\u00a0become easier\u00a0for her to say to me when I ask her how she feels about me,\u201cIt\u2019s\u00a0complicated\u201d instead of \u201cI love you\u201d. Most recently,\u00a0her words were,\u00a0\u201cI don\u2019t need a man in my life\u201d and \u201cI can\u2019t see me\u00a0being married to\u00a0you for eternity\u201d (her words). And why not?\u00a0 She\u00a0makes 3 times what I\u00a0make and that makes me unnecessary, right?.\u00a0 Her mother\u00a0passed away a<\/em><br>\n<em>few years back, bitter against her husband for reasons I\u2019m\u00a0not fully\u00a0aware of (and some I am), and my wife said she does not want\u00a0to end up\u00a0like her mother, bitter for the rest of her life.\u00a0 She\u00a0constantly\u00a0points out that we have only two children and our Church\u00a0membership in\u00a0common, nothing else. During counseling sessions I too\u00a0found\u00a0 it\u00a0impossible to note any common interests, even though over\u00a0the years I\u00a0attempted to reinvent myself, something that I was not able\u00a0to do to\u00a0her satisfaction.\u00a0 She has plans with other [women]\u00a0friends\/clients to\u00a0vacation abroad without me.\u00a0 I was specifically told\u00a0with regards to\u00a0one of these trips that I was NOT invited.\u00a0 Often every\u00a0week, she\u00a0rebuffs me, refuses to engage in conversations and will\u00a0almost without\u00a0exception rejects me when I as for sex.\u00a0 Masturbation\u00a0is not an option\u00a0for me even though out of curiosity when I asked for her\u00a0permission to\u00a0do so, she said to go right ahead.\u00a0 My bishop is fully\u00a0aware of what\u00a0is going on but it seems bishops have gotten out of the\u00a0business of\u00a0counseling couples in marriage.\u00a0 When I asked my wife\u00a0if she would see\u00a0an LDS marriage counselor she responded with , \u201cReally? A\u00a0fourth?\u201d. It\u00a0turns out the only one in our area is our daughter\u2019s age so\u00a0she is off\u00a0our list now too (I have to agree.).\u00a0 She rarely goes\u00a0to church\u00a0anymore and while I know some of that is from her demanding\u00a0work load,\u00a0most of it is personal; I usually sit alone in the back at\u00a0church. I\u00a0know she is struggling with certain aspects of her\u00a0testimony.\u00a0 She no\u00a0longer believes that dream she had of me so long ago as\u00a0credible\u00a0direction from God that we should have married and as such,\u00a0with no\u00a0romantic love for me, there is no reason to remain married\u00a0to me. I\u00a0work a couple of times a month in our temple, but I always\u00a0go alone.\u00a0I see happy couples at church (though I know not everyone\u00a0is\u2026)\u00a0playing off of one another and at the temple holding hands,\u00a0smiling at\u00a0each other.\u00a0 Such scenes crush my soul and I often turn\u00a0away and withdraw\u00a0to stem the flood of pain in my heart.\u00a0 I refrain from\u00a0pornography,\u00a0masturbation, flirting with other women because I know\u00a0indulging would\u00a0be wrong.\u00a0 We\u2019ve slept in separate rooms for years, yet\u00a0I long to be\u00a0touched and held.\u00a0 The periods of depression have been\u00a0severe. I can\u2019t\u00a0say that I haven\u2019t thought of taking my life at times, but I\u00a0am\u00a0sobered up by what that would to do my [grown] children and\u00a0other\u00a0family members.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0I know that would be a very\u00a0bad path.\u00a0 As a kid\u00a0growing up in a inactive-part member family, I had always\u00a0thought that\u00a0blessings in the Celestial kingdom and missions were for\u00a0others like\u00a0my friends whose families were active in the Church and did\u00a0everything\u00a0right.\u00a0 I did not fit that mold. Only after some\u00a0\u201cdivine\u201d intervention\u00a0did I serve a mission.\u00a0 It was then that I found that I<\/em>\u00a0<em>too could\u00a0\u201creceive all that the Father hath\u201d.\u00a0 Yet today, I\u00a0feel unlovable and\u00a0destined to live out not only my days but eternity\u00a0alone.\u00a0 I have\u00a0perhaps the greatest empathy for those who have never\u00a0married yet want\u00a0to be.\u00a0 My heart goes out to those who have lost a\u00a0spouse they loved\u00a0and were loved by.\u00a0 There is a special sister whom I\u00a0strongly admire\u00a0who serves in the temple with me sometimes who lost her\u00a0husband.\u00a0 She\u00a0chooses to go to the temple; she does not raise a clinched\u00a0fist\u00a0towards heaven but bows before the Lord\u00a0 humbly serving\u00a0with devotion. \u00a0I feel so conflicted when I see the good examples of others\u00a0when I focus so much on my own pain.\u00a0 Going to the temple is\u00a0the ONLY respite\u00a0there is in my life.\u00a0 The comfort afterwards lasts but\u00a0a few days or\u00a0hours but the effort to get to and serve in the temple is\u00a0worth it.<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><em>The most recent comments my wife has made is that she thinks\u00a0we should\u00a0wait until next summer to divorce as that would place less\u00a0stress on\u00a0our son.\u00a0 Whether or not I agree with her time table, I\u00a0am doing my\u00a0best to take life a day at a time. I have come to understand\u00a0that she\u00a0is entitled to her free agency.\u00a0 I also know that she\u00a0never fell in\u00a0love with me and that\u2019s likely not her fault but probably my\u00a0taking\u00a0advantage of a 20 year old girl who was struggling to cope\u00a0with a\u00a0hateful family when she joined the Church.\u00a0 I\u00a0\u00a0love my wife but I must<\/em>\u00a0<em>admit with many, many years of rejection from her and being\u00a0told she\u00a0does not want me, I don\u2019t know how much I am still \u201cin\u00a0love\u201d with her.\u00a0We never fight.\u00a0 We would probably make better friends\u00a0than spouses.<\/em><\/div>\n<div><em><\/em><br>\n<em>My bishop asked me just recently if I thought I would\u00a0remarry.\u00a0 I said\u00a0only if there was someone out there who could love me\u00a0back.\u00a0 My wife\u00a0has made up her mind and it seems that she is just waiting\u00a0for me to\u00a0\u201ccome around\u201d to her way of thinking. She\u2019s an attorney\u00a0who knows all\u00a0the details of divorce in our state and is probably mentally\u00a0prepared\u00a0for it.\u00a0 I am sure I am in denial, afraid of losing\u00a0the one thing in\u00a0life I have wanted so much.\u00a0 There is no one I can talk\u00a0with (the\u00a0bishop can only listen so much before he\u2019s heard it all\u00a0before) and\u00a0about something that I don\u2019t want telegraphed in my ward or\u00a0stake, I\u00a0cannot confide with anyone we both know.\u00a0 I want her to\u00a0be able to\u00a0come and go to church when the time comes that she feels she\u00a0wants to\u00a0get more active and so I would move to another ward or stake\u00a0so she\u00a0can have her privacy.\u00a0 It seems the less of me around\u00a0might help her\u00a0come back to church since she acquaints me with the Church\u00a0so closely.<\/em><em>In closing, I am so very lonely and cannot find where I fit\u00a0in if I\u00a0even do.\u00a0 I thought we \u2018were that we\u00a0 might have\u00a0joy\u2019 especially when\u00a0you work so hard to do what\u2019s right.\u00a0 I need to follow\u00a0the example of\u00a0the sister in the temple who pushes on despite [possible]\u00a0despair.<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>One of the most painful situations to be in is a marriage where love and intimacy are not reciprocated. \u00a0In fact, what you describe is an emotionally abusive and neglectful relationship. \u00a0Here are some thoughts:<\/div>\n<div>\n<ul>\n<li>It is very difficult to know how to move forward when one partner wants the relationship to continue while the other is wanting a divorce. \u00a0Your comments on agency are correct. \u00a0At some level, regardless how much we may want to love our spouse, we don\u2019t get to stay married unless both people are committed and willing. \u00a0This is one of the hardest principles of marriage \u2013 so much is out of our control. \u00a0We trust another person with our heart, our vulnerability, our goals\/dreams, our loyalty and our future. \u00a0Sometimes that trust and leap of faith really pays off \u2013 other times it tragically does not. \u00a0If your wife is already convinced she wants a divorce and is moving forward in that direction, there is little you will be able to do to convince her otherwise. \u00a0Especially when it sounds to me like she has been moving in that direction for many years \u2013 making this a chronic situation. \u00a0It sounds like her main motivations for continuing at this point have to do with the sake of your children and possibly religious reasons she now is also pulling away from.<\/li>\n<li>It becomes in your best interest then to figure out what you do have control over. \u00a0Mainly yourself \u2013 and how you can go forward in a healing way. \u00a0I notice lots of self-depracting comments towards yourself. \u00a0Usually self-esteem takes a big hit in emotionally abusive relationships. \u00a0I recommend you begin individual sessions with a trained therapist to help you address issues of self worth, appropriate boundaries going forward, learning how to advocate for yourself and facing acceptance of your wife\u2019s choices. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.aamft.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">AAMFT.org<\/a> is a good resource in helping you find a therapist in your geographical region.<\/li>\n<li>It is important to not fall into the trap of re-writing our history in ways that are unhealthy. \u00a0For example you mention \u201c<em>my\u00a0taking\u00a0advantage of a 20 year old girl who was struggling to cope\u00a0with a\u00a0hateful family when she joined the Church.\u201d \u00a0<\/em>Nothing of what you report supports this statement. \u00a0It sounds like you pursued and dated a love interest, eventually taking the risk of asking for her hand in marriage. \u00a0It sounds like you respected the space she needed to make that decision. \u00a0Whatever reasons she had for answering in the affirmative at that point of her life are not your responsibility. \u00a0She was an adult and she made the decision to accept your proposal. \u00a0If she made the decision to marry you for other reasons than being in love \u2013 that falls on her. \u00a0And remember, she may be re-writing her history as well. \u00a0Usually the process of choosing a spouse has many complicated factors \u2013 many happening at a sub-conscious level.<\/li>\n<li>Staying married in a chronically abusive relationship is not healthy for the entire family system. \u00a0Often people will say \u201cI\u2019m willing to work on this marriage for the sake of the children\u201d \u2013 a great reason to put forth a truly concerted effort and an important time to start marital therapy (hopefully lasting at least 10-12 months). \u00a0Our children deserve \u00a0for us to make this type of effort. \u00a0However, children are not a sustainable reason to stay together long term. \u00a0And if all they have as a role model for marital intimacy is the neglectful or abusive relationship of their parents \u2013 this can harm them as much as divorce. \u00a0They learn the same strategies and coping mechanisms being modeled and have a higher likelihood to repeat such patterns in their own marriages.<\/li>\n<li>When a marriage dissolves, you are no longer responsible to take a compromising role in the relationship. \u00a0In other words, your wife\u2019s testimony and her ability to engage with the church will not be your issue. \u00a0I encourage you to make decisions going forward that help you have the support and network you need to thrive \u2013 instead of making decisions as to what you might assume would be in the best interest of your wife. \u00a0The only area it is still important to be civil, respectful and able to work together is in co-parenting efforts.<\/li>\n<li>It sounds like you have been in a sexless marriage for a significant period of time. \u00a0I\u2019m impressed that you and your wife were able to discuss options such as masturbation \u2013 since she was not willing to share herself sexually with you. \u00a0It is my position that couples have the right to figure out their sexual boundaries and activities as a couple. \u00a0Therefore, if she is comfortable with you masturbating and you have no other sexual outlet in your marriage \u2013 this can be a healthy compromise until you both figure out more relational ways to be sexual (either with each other or in another relationship).<\/li>\n<li>It was a red flag to me that you said you were \u201caddicted\u201d to your sexual relationship with your wife. \u00a0It is perfectly normal and healthy to have or want robust and frequent sexuality within marital bonds. \u00a0In fact it is important on many different levels: marital bonding, stress reduction, physical health, etc. \u00a0I\u2019m afraid you are shaming yourself inappropriately by feeling you had a sexual need your wife did not share or reciprocate.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0It will be important to reframe your relationship in a positive way. \u00a0Often we speak of divorce as a \u201cfailed marriage.\u201d \u00a0I believe this is shortsighted. \u00a0Regardless of what happens in a marriage \u2013 it is definitely a learning laboratory. \u00a0It is also a place where your children were born. \u00a0There is much to be celebrated and take with us from all of life\u2019s experiences. \u00a0I\u2019m not trying to minimize the pain and sorrow that comes with divorce \u2013 I\u2019m just saying it is important to look at the process in terms more encompassing and compassionate than \u201cfailure.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>Get assessed and treatment for possible clinical depression.<\/li>\n<li>Get good legal advice.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I\u2019m glad to hear that going to the temple is a refuge for you. \u00a0I hope you can find other resources to help you during this difficult and painful time (your bishop, friends and family, a good therapist, home teachers, spiritual practice, etc.).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/constanceahrons.com\/the%20good%20divorce.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Good Divorce: Keeping Your Family Together When Your Marriage Comes Apart<\/a> by Constance Ahrons is a good resource.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019ve been married 32+ years to a wonderful woman.\u00a0 We\u00a0married early,\u00a0she was 20 and I was 24.\u00a0 We were both in college but\u00a0her family was critical and unsupportive when she was baptized (prior\u00a0to dating\u00a0me): she felt very alone.\u00a0 When we began dating, I was\u00a0in heaven; she\u00a0was [is] so beautiful and I felt so lucky that 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