Quoting Quiverfull: Killer Babies?

Quoting Quiverfull: Killer Babies? May 26, 2014

by Voddie Bauchaum from the sermon ‘The Doctrine of Depravity’

“One of the reasons that God makes human babies small is so they won’t kill their parents in their sleep. They’re evil. Yes, this is true of children. ‘None is righteous; no, not one.’…Yes, that little, precious one—you better believe it. If you don’t, you miss the big picture and you don’t realize your desperate need to get the gospel to your child again and again and again and again.”

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  • That_Susan

    It was becoming a mother that actually led me to question the whole original sin doctrine, to leave fundamentalism, and ultimately to embrace Unitarian Universalism. Fundamentalist Christianity pressures mothers to treat babies and small children in ways that violently go against our natural drive to nurture our little ones. It’s so heartbreaking in some cases.

  • JeanPing

    About 10 years ago I had no idea who Douglas Wilson was, and I read a book he’d written about education. My opinion of him was formed forever when he told an “adorable” story about the cute thing his FIL did, calling new babies “little bundles of sin.” Which is *completely horrific.*

    I’m pretty sure the reason babies are small is so that they will fit in their mothers’ wombs. An infant does not know right and wrong, and has strong feelings that, over time, a parent must help him learn to control. But babies are born innocent, free of sin and unable to sin.

  • Independent Thinker

    It is very popular among believers of original sin to schedule breastfeeding which the medical community is admittedly against especially when the child is under one year of age. I know Debi Pearl and Teri Maxwell both advocate for denying the child the right to breastfeed off schedule. For me that practice is incredibly cruel to infants.

  • That_Susan

    I think this can be a huge issue in some fundamentalist churches. My practice of breastfeeding my daughter wherever we happened to be when she got hungry was rather shocking to some people in my church, and there was some talk of creating a breastfeeding policy (because, as well as me, some other mothers were also nursing pretty freely and openly) — but I don’t think it ever got that far.

    A friend at another fundie church told me the breastfeeding rules there were so hard on her and her baby, that she often just wanted to quit going.

    Once when her baby was tiny, she took him with her and volunteered in the nursery on short notice, because they desperately needed the help. Then when he got hungry, it was so hard on her because he just screamed and screamed, but she wasn’t allowed to nurse him in the nursery, because this church had a strict policy about breastfeeding babies only being allowed to eat in the nursing mother’s room. Yet she couldn’t leave, either, until someone got around to relieving her. She felt compelled to follow all the rules to the letter, because her husband was in a service position in the church, and insisted that she had to.

    It’s so sick when a church, or any other establishment, takes something like a nursing mother’s room, which should be a nice option for mothers who want the privacy, and uses it against the mothers who actually are comfortable nursing wherever they happen to be, by saying that this is the one designated place where it can happen.

  • This is awful and so wrong. It “poisons the well” in parenting so that parents attribute evil motives to their children rather than believing the best of them as 1 Cor. 13 says love does. It’s a violation of “do unto others” because no one would want to have their every action attributed to their “evil” nature. In short, it’s un-Christian.

  • Nea

    Someone’s evil here, but it ain’t babies. Funny, I also found plenty of references to “innocent blood” in the Bible; didn’t take me more than a second’s Googling. How do you reconcile that one?

    ETA: $5 says the same guy talks about “innocent unborn babies” when railing against abortion. Any takers?

  • Nea

    Michael Pearl spends a lot of time telling parents, especially mothers, to throttle their instinct to protect and love their own kids. No euphemisms, just comes right out and says it.

  • Joy

    Maybe it is easier for the moms in these groups to go against their God-given maternal instinct if they believe the babies are inherently evil?

  • Nea

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

  • Yes. This is the only way to perpetuate their spanking culture. Let a mother or father start actually listening to their child and saying, “Hmm, I can see where you’re coming from,” and the power of the “authorities on child discipline” is undermined, as are the sales of their books.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    Wow. Just wow. This is such a crock of hooey. I am the mother of a 12-year-old girl who we adopted at 13 months. People complement us all the kind on what a sweet, thoughtful child she is, and she is truly a joy to parent. And though we’ve tried to teach her good values and shared our faith with her, I can’t honestly say that we turned her into a such a sweet kid. No, she was that way when we met her as a baby. Just a lovely little person from the very beginning. God made her that way.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    Why would anyone even want to have children if they are such awful little beings?

  • Nea

    Yup. And not just sales are lost… those parents might publicly disagree or even agitate against the spanking culture.

  • Nightshade

    But when the subject is abortion we hear all about the innocent little babies. Make your minds up, folks, you don’t get to have it both ways.

  • Allison the Great

    There is something seriously psychologically wrong with someone who thinks that everyone is evil and will kill or harm you the second your back is turned. This goes double with some one who thinks that a baby is evil. What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

  • Trollface McGee

    The key word is “unborn.” You see, when an innocent baby, passes through a woman’s demon tunnel at birth, s/he is coated in a layer of original sin that can only be removed by the now-evil child by repenting for being born.

  • Depravity is an excellent word for it. This is taking original sin way too far.

  • Trollface McGee

    Yes, exactly. Bear cubs are tiny because they are born during hibernation, foals are big because they have to be able to run away from potential predators immediately after birth, human babies are about the same size, proportionally, as apes. The only motive babies have is survival to attribute anything else is breathtakingly stupid and evil.

  • Saraquill

    Babies are evil, yet females should have them from the age of 14 onward? This makes no sense.

  • Mario Strada

    I don’t suppose C section could be a solution though?

  • ILoveJellybeans

    Why are these people having babies if they are evil? You would think having a lot of these evil beings in the house might make them more able to overpower and kill you.
    But no, babies and children are not evil. Sure, they scream and tantrum, wake you up at night, cry, are selfish, break stuff, draw on the walls, argue with eachother, answer back….but they do these things because their brains haven’t developed yet, and they have yet to develop empathy, or cannot communicate their needs in any other way as they don’t have the words, or do not understand that walls are not for drawing on or that their parents don’t like it when they drop their bowl off their high chair and it makes a mess.
    They are innocent, and innocent doesn’t always mean perfectly well behaved.

  • Oh wow… I do believe that I found something where my husband and I are in complete agreement! This man is mentally defective to the point of being a danger to himself and those around him!

  • Because everyone knows babies exit the womb with a switchblade and hemlock. Thank goodness for their lack of fine motor skills, or size wouldn’t be an issue.

  • Allison the Great

    The tainting of the baby is of course the woman’s fault, as per usual.

  • Allison the Great

    I know! These little demons could be hoarding weapons and devising battle strategies in their cribs at night. If you have more than three of them, shit you’ve got a whole army of these bastards, just waiting to cut of your head or threw a grenade into the shower while you’re in it.

  • Allison the Great

    I loathe hearing about this “original sin” shit. It’s a fucking myth. They need to get over it. Babies aren’t depraved, it’s the fundamentalists who are. These people need some serious help, but then again, sociopaths can’t be helped, can they?

  • Trollface McGee

    You’d think so but c-sections are unnatural, they’re named after Caesar, if they were Biblical, they’d be J-sections or something.

  • Gypsy Rose B

    This is just so sad. I can’t even imagine the mindset that would cause someone to think that babies are evil enough that they would outright slaughter their parents if given the chance and advantage. I suppose this is along the lines of Michael Pearl’s feeling that a toddler throwing a tantrum wants to ruin his/her mother’s reputation. Yes, babies are selfish, but that’s because they have needs and have the inability to provide for themselves at all. It’s important to meet those needs so that they can not only survive but develop a healthy way of fulfilling them as they get older.

    Uuuuuugh.

  • gimpi1

    “One of the reasons that God makes human babies small is so they won’t kill their parents in their sleep.”

    It can’t have anything with getting them out of the womb, can it? How, exactly, would one go about giving birth to a 45 lb. child?

  • gimpi1

    If I had my way, he wouldn’t be allowed to handle power tools or his own money. I also would be sure he wasn’t given a license to drive. No one with that kind of faulty reasoning should be on the roads.