Quoting Quiverfull: You Deserve Rape?

Quoting Quiverfull: You Deserve Rape? May 7, 2014

by Pastor Dean Samuel in Raw Story quoted from his documentary and from the site Vice.com – Arizona Pastor: Women in yoga pants are ‘partially responsible’ for rape

During the protest, Saxton held a sign reading, “You Deserve Rape.” And he shouted at women to “give up your immodest clothing” and “yoga pants are sin.”

“One street preacher said, you know, if you dress like it, you act like it, different things like that, you’re asking for it,” he opined to Vice. “Therefore, you deserve rape. And his last three words I felt like were nice, and I decided to put them on a sign, and go to the event.”

“I believe there are certain qualities that may be worthy of rape,” the street preacher added. “If a woman dresses proactively, gets blackout drunk, and is wearing really revealing clothing, then I would say that she is partially responsible for the rape.”

Read the rest of the story at Raw Story. Let us know what you think in the comments below

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  • Karen Burch

    This guy was in Florence one weekend last summer. I ran into him while studying abroad there. He was interrupting a happy and peaceful space in the Piazza del Duomo by ranting about hellfire and wearing a shirt that was terribly misogynistic.

    I confronted him and told him to stop, that he was giving Christians and missionaries a bad name, etc. On top of his horrific beliefs about women and rape and hell, he also turned out to be what most orthodox Christians would deem a heretic, preaching clear theological errors. The kid had never had training in any theology, he was only spouting out what his pastor had told him, which was basically an odd mix of Pelagianism and Calvinism. He believed that he was now incapable of sinning and that if you sinned after accepting Jesus, you were never truly saved in the first place. The kid claimed that he had committed zero sins in the years since his conversion. He admitted to having been given little to no theological training, repeating only “what the Bible says.”

    Anyway, looks like he’s only gotten more horrible since I first met him and is now making headlines here in the states. Hopefully he’ll shut up soon.

  • Independent Thinker

    Women who get drunk to the point of blacking out are in the majority of cases using alcohol to self medicate. Self medicating using alcohol is a temporary fix to a very deep problem. She doesn’t need rape. She needs a system of love, support, and recovery to fix what ever inside her that is currently broken. I look at alcoholics as in desperate need of compassion. Isn’t that what Jesus would have done. Seen a broken wounded soul and had compassion for that person.

  • Allison the Great

    Women don’t deserve rape, but this asshole deserves a kick in the head

  • LisaP

    You took the words right out of my mouth!

  • LisaP

    I watched the interview on the link there. There is something wrong with him. Even when he is yelling at people, he can’t string a sentence together. His convictions are incredibly odd and all over the place. He seems desperate for attention in a childishly pathetic way. I think he needs mental help.

  • I have to admit, I feel sorry for him. He clearly has had some kind of mental breakdown and really needs help. I might add that he seems to want to be punished for his actions as IMO, he seems to be goading the crowd into attacking him.

  • Catherine

    I believe there are certain qualities that deserve a kick in the nuts. If a man is going around telling women that their rape is their fault, then I would say he is partially responsible for getting kicked in the nuts.

  • Saraquill

    With steel toed boots.

  • Mirella222

    These kinds of horrible statements expose the reality of rape culture, and brings to light the principles we base our society on. “You deserve rape” – how awful, how unthinkable. Yet, that is what many people think, without really realizing it. They talk about how it’s her fault because she was drunk, or wore tight clothes, or was out at night – what did she expect? They make themselves feel better by saying that preventing rape is just common sense. But then a statement like this is made, and it comes to light. It shows that at it’s core, we as a society have agreed that “certain” women deserve rape. And suddenly rape apology is looking a lot less like common sense and a lot more like the cruel and brutal thing that it is. I sincerely hope that the people who read about this and hear about him will stop and rethink their feelings about rape survivors, and come to realize that NO ONE, under any circumstances, DESERVES rape.

  • KarenH

    At the very least….

  • That is… a very intriguing interpretation. There’s actually a phenomena called, and I’m probably paraphrasing, “suicide by cop” where an individual wants to die, but they have an aversion to actually taking their own life, so they storm into a police station with a weapon and shoot into the air or something, causing the police officers to return fire, thus doing the job for them.

    Maybe this is the same sort of passive-aggressive tendency in a less permanent form? “Self Harm by Crowd”? If you’re right, then he definitely does need help, not the further encouragement of a religious leader who’s using him to cause his own sort of harm.

  • Nea

    I think he’s following the Westboro Baptist model where they tried to goad people into attacking them, then sued for assault.

    (As a side note, I am fascinated at both the fact that WB have not threatened a lawsuit in OK and the words of their latest breakaway, both of which point to internal fighting that threw out their dying leader and took the power of their previous lawyer. It’s all over but the shouting for them.)

  • Too bad he can’t be charged with Hate Speech for saying that someone deserves to have a crime committed against them, particularly since he’s condoning something as horrific as rape. Normally I am the last person to pull out that particular phrase, but his accusations cross the boundary into assault-by-language in my book.

    That old nursery rhyme was written by liars, after all. Words will do a hell of a lot more damage than conventional weapons. Broken bones heal. Broken minds, hearts, and souls… that’s something else entirely..

  • Astrin Ymris

    And damage his brain even further?

  • Karen Burch

    That’s how he was in Florence, too. He was just ranting endlessly and had areally strange mix of ideas. I felt kind of sorry for him when I met him, but mostly I was just angry that he’d disrupt such a lovely place.

  • 24fps

    While I think some women are self-medicating when thy overdrink chronically, not all women who get very drunk are. It’s often the case that young people away from home for the first time overdo some drinking in their first year of college or university. Not all to the point of blackout, but certainly to the point of being less capable of consent. They simply don’t know their limits yet, have no experience with alcohol (or other things) and are unsupervised for the first time in their lives. There are men who will take advantage of that – and the responsibility is on the one who takes advantage of the vulnerability, not the one who is vulnerable.

    My first year of uni, I got very drunk a few times. There was nothing to self-medicate, it’s just that going to parties and dance bars is fun, and alcohol consumption feels good right up to the point where it doesn’t. You feel just fine sitting down, but stand up and… whoops, balance not so good! Should have stopped at the drink before the last one, too late now… Youthful indiscretions happen. We all make the occasional mistake, especially when we were transitioning from kid to adult.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I want to see his documentary. Has anyone here seen that yet?

  • gimpi1

    I believe we have someone auditioning for the title of “most hateful Christian in the world,” now that the previous title-holder, Mr. Phelps, has passed away. I’d say he’s most certainly in the running. It’s a pity that he has a fair amount of competition.

    May the worst Christian win!

  • JaneSmith100

    IDC what he says but he shouldn’t be allowed to do it with a microphone/megaphone or yelling.

  • JaneSmith100

    Where is he getting his money I wonder. Florence isn’t cheap.

  • Independent Thinker

    I would nominate Todd Bentley for that award. At least, this guy keeps his hands to himself.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL6muB_FGEE

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I used to love him back when I was still drinking that koolaid.

  • Karen Burch

    He told me that members of his church back home were donating, which is sad, as it means he has supporters.

  • JaneSmith100

    Members of his church? Oy. This is wbc2 – I wonder what church he’s from?

  • Karen Burch

    He never said and I didn’t think to ask. I never want to meet them, at any rate.

    He also admitted to having a girlfriend and bragged that they were such a pure couple that they’ve never so much as held hands. *eyeroll*