{"id":40013,"date":"2017-02-02T17:00:55","date_gmt":"2017-02-02T21:00:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/nolongerquivering\/?p=40013"},"modified":"2017-01-13T11:23:09","modified_gmt":"2017-01-13T15:23:09","slug":"quoting-quiverfull-churches-saved","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/nolongerquivering\/2017\/02\/quoting-quiverfull-churches-saved\/","title":{"rendered":"Quoting Quiverfull: Churches Are For the Saved Only?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/01\/quotingquiverfull-6.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-40014\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-40014\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/01\/quotingquiverfull-6-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"quotingquiverfull\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\"><\/a>by Steven Anderson from <a href=\"http:\/\/sanderson1611.blogspot.com\/2017\/01\/church-should-be-geared-toward-saved.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Faithful Word Baptist Church \u2013 Church Should be Geared Towards the Saved<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Editor\u2019s note: Interesting, I thought the church was supposed to be a tent big enough for people all along the faith continuum? Not everyone is going to be at the exact same place in their journeys of faith. What type of church does not concern themselves with people that aren\u2019t in the same place as they are? Seems to me to be a big red flag for a high demand group dynamic \u2013 bordering on cult think.<\/em><!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The church is intended to be a place of teaching, fellowship, and worship for born-again, baptized believers. Many churches have instead become geared toward unbelievers. Some pastors will preach the plan of salvation every Sunday morning rather than getting into the deeper truths that saved Christians need to learn in order to grow. The purpose of church is to perfect the saints and edify the body of Christ. As a pastor and teacher, I\u2019m supposed to teach and build up people who are already saved.<\/p>\n<p>Years ago, I had a guy write a complaint about me on a visitor card and then bolt away after the service. He wrote about how he couldn\u2019t believe that I didn\u2019t even give the plan of salvation during my sermon and questioned whether I was even saved. This guy literally thought I should be giving the Gospel in every service, but what about feeding the flock?<\/p>\n<p>When I prepare a sermon, I\u2019m not thinking about the unsaved visitors who might show up that day. I\u2019m thinking about feeding the saved church members that make up most of the congregation. I\u2019m thinking about the saints who come to church to be edified and perfected.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ \u2013 we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let\u2019s keep it respectful \u2013 but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/01\/more-8.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-40015\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-40015\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/01\/more-8.jpg\" alt=\"more\" width=\"35\" height=\"46\"><\/a><em>Read more by Steven Anderson:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/nolongerquivering\/2016\/10\/quoting-quiverfull-who-is-allowed-to-be-judgemental\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Who is Allowed to be Judgemental?<\/a><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<hr>\n<p><em>Stay in touch! 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