{"id":41266,"date":"2017-05-04T08:54:14","date_gmt":"2017-05-04T12:54:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/nolongerquivering\/?p=41266"},"modified":"2017-05-04T08:54:14","modified_gmt":"2017-05-04T12:54:14","slug":"quoting-quiverfull-non-submitting-women-sinning","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/nolongerquivering\/2017\/05\/quoting-quiverfull-non-submitting-women-sinning\/","title":{"rendered":"Quoting Quiverfull: Non-Submitting Women Are Sinning!?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_41267\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-41267\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/05\/donutsin.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-41267\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-41267\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/05\/donutsin-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"You cannot win with Trey because everything you do is sin!\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-41267\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">You cannot win with Trey because everything you do is sin!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p><em><strong>by Trey \u2013 pious, pontificating, patriarchal, pusillanimous Trey who comments at Lori Alexander\u2019s blog and attacks negative reviews on Amazon that do not think Lori\u2019s book is the \u2018MOST AMAZING THING EVER!\u2019 From <a href=\"https:\/\/thetransformedwife.com\/refusing-to-submit-is-living-in-sin\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Transformed Wife \u2013 Refusing to Submit is Living in Sin<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Editor\u2019s note: Trey is a real judgmental nasty piece of work. I feel sorry for anyone married to him because all he ever does in the comments is foam at the mouth at women or lavish kisses on someone\u2019s derriere. At my old church the behavior between him and Lori would have been viewed as \u2018Emotional infidelity\u2019 and both of them would have been ordered to repent or leave the church, even if the relationship was merely online.<\/em><!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Rebellious wives use every excuse in the world for why they CAN not or WILL not submit to their husbands. They can make all the excuses they want. They can call it anything they wish. God calls it SIN.<\/p>\n<p>If you are a wife who calls herself a Christian yet refuses to submit (in everything) to your husband then you are living in SIN. It\u2019s just that simple. Quit thinking you are holy, your <em>(sic)<\/em> not. Quit thinking you are Godly, you\u2019re anything but. Quit thinking you are serving Christ; He is not fooled, the only person you are fooling\u2026. is yourself.<\/p>\n<p>If you do not live daily in complete submission to your husband, what you\u2019re really doing is blaspheming, maligning, bringing shame upon, reviling, discrediting, dishonoring, and slandering the Word of God. Do you call yourself a Christian woman? Then quit making excuses and start obeying the God you claim to know, love and serve.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>\u2014-snipped a big lot of Bible verses supporting his very bad ideas\u2014-<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I don\u2019t want to come across so harsh but seriously\u2026 God only speaks directly to wives in a few places in the Bible and in almost every place, He instructs (commands) them to submit to their husbands. How can any wife call herself a Christian while refusing to obey the PRIMARY command that God gives her? I would submit that she can\u2019t.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>Dear Trey, are you living up 100% correctly to the rules on Biblical manhood? Submitting one to the other? Treating your wife with the same level of love and care as Christ has for the church? Loving your wife with a sacrificial love? Providing? Guiding? Protecting? Get that gosh-darn plank out of your own eye before looking at the sawdust in others eyes!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ \u2013 we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let\u2019s keep it respectful \u2013 but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/05\/more.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-41268\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-41268\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/188\/2017\/05\/more.jpg\" alt=\"more\" width=\"35\" height=\"46\"><\/a><em>Read more from Lori Alexander<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/nolongerquivering\/2017\/05\/quoting-quiverfull-lori-alexander-thinks-feminism-teaches-misogyny\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\"><em>Feminism is Misogynistic<\/em> <\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<hr>\n<p><em>Stay in touch! 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