{"id":5642,"date":"2016-06-25T13:51:35","date_gmt":"2016-06-25T17:51:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/northamptonseminar\/?p=5642"},"modified":"2016-06-25T13:51:35","modified_gmt":"2016-06-25T17:51:35","slug":"pro-gay-evangelicals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/northamptonseminar\/2016\/06\/25\/pro-gay-evangelicals\/","title":{"rendered":"Pro-gay evangelicals?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

Can you be \u201cevangelical\u201d and support gay marriage within the church? \u00a0Can you be \u201cevangelical\u201d and affirm actively-same-sex-partnered clergy?<\/p>\n

Or does that so change the historic meaning of \u201cevangelical\u201d that it\u00a0becomes\u00a0difficult to distinguish \u201cevangelical\u201d from\u00a0\u201cliberal\u201d Christianity?<\/p>\n

We can learn from the public debate going on in the Church of England. \u00a0Last week a non-evangelical bishop in the C of E proclaimed<\/a> that \u201cthe idea that gender binary is part of the Judeo-Christian tradition is rubbish.\u201d \u00a0Then a group of self-proclaimed \u201cevangelical\u201d bishops and clergy and lay folks\u00a0in the C of E released a book<\/a>\u00a0calling on evangelicals to change their views of same-sex relationships.<\/p>\n

For the sake of clarity I will reproduce their statements and leading questions, and then give my response to each. The first six\u00a0come from the non-evangelical bishop Alan Wilson of Buckingham. Starting at no. 7, the statements and questions come from the new book by \u201cevangelical\u201d Anglicans.<\/p>\n

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  1. \u201cThe idea that\u00a0that gender binary is part of the Judeo-Christian tradition is rubbish.\u201d\n
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    1. My response: Jesus didn\u2019t think so. \u00a0He said, \u201cHave you not read that the One who made them at the beginning \u2018made them male and female,\u2019 and said, \u2018For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.'\u201d (Matt 19.4-5)<\/li>\n
    2. Those who would deny gender binary in the teachings of Jesus deny the Jesus of the New Testament.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
    3. (He says) \u201cNothing bad has happened in the two years since England permitted same-sex marriage.\u201d\n
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      1. Nothing other than thousands of young people unsure of their sexual identity receiving new encouragement to enter a lifestyle with vastly greater incidence of physical and mental disease.<\/li>\n
      2. Not to mention the thousands of babies conceived by gays and lesbians and raised in homes where they will never know\u00a0both<\/em> a mom and a dad, both of whom\u00a0the social sciences have told us are essential to optimal flourishing.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
      3. \u201cThe time is coming when churches everywhere will accept gay marriage.\u201d\n
          \n
        1. Not likely. \u00a0No more likely than the expectation by liberals almost a century ago that all the churches would accept eugenics. \u00a0Liberal churches accepted it, and are embarrassed now to admit it.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
        2. \u201cJesus challenged the patriarchal family.\u201d\n
            \n
          1. It depends on what you mean by \u201cpatriarchal.\u201d\n
              \n
            1. If you mean the family where Dad is domineering and\u00a0abusive, yes.<\/li>\n
            2. But if you mean where Dad is spiritual leader and a servant leader, no. \u00a0Jesus\u2019 disciple Paul, by the inspiration of Jesus\u2019 Spirit,\u00a0said children are to obey and honor their parents, and that husbands are to be the spiritual heads of their families (Eph 5.23).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
            3. \u201cThe Bible does not mention same-sex relationships<\/em>.\u201d\n
                \n
              1. Yes, it does. \u00a0In Rom 1.26 Paul refers to lesbians, who were known even in the ancient world for having \u201clove\u201d relationships and not one-night stands.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
              2. \u201cThe Bible is inconsistent because it seems to condone Solomon\u2019s hundreds of wives.\u201d\n
                  \n
                1. Not really. \u00a0The very beginning of the Bible defines marriage as monogamous (Gen 2.24), goes on to\u00a0realistically depict the problems in the patriarchs\u2019 polygamous families, and then implicitly condemn Solomon\u2019s polygamy (Dt 17.14-20).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                2. \u201cThere is too much damage and pain in Anglicans with same-sex desires who cannot be honest about those desires and are not free to express them in monogamous ways.\u201d\n
                    \n
                  1. I don\u2019t discount the pain of having same-sex desire and all the problems that are associated with it.<\/li>\n
                  2. But there are two kinds of pain\u2013the pain all believers have which comes from denying the desires of the flesh, and the pain from denying those which according to Scripture and tradition are disordered.\n
                      \n
                    1. We need to keep this in perspective. \u00a0Millions of heterosexual Christians desperately want to get married and enjoy that full relationship but for providential reasons are not able to. \u00a0They feel pain too\u2013and deep pain\u2013but ask God daily for grace to live chastely as Scripture and tradition command them to. \u00a0In the midst of the pain they also experience the joy that comes from obedience.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                    2. Fulfilling same-sex desires brings long-term pain, if short-term fulfillment.\n
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                      1. There is not only an abundance of pathologies that come with such practice (even in countries like Sweden and Holland where they are not persecuted in any way), but there is also the spiritual desolation that comes to those who pursue a lifestyle clearly prohibited by Scripture.<\/li>\n
                      2. Monogamy is not enough.\n
                          \n
                        1. A monogamous incestuous relationshop is still condemned by God, even if it is monogamous.<\/li>\n
                        2. Men and women are made for either singlehood (Jesus\u2019 \u201ceunuchs\u201d [Mt 19.12] and Paul\u2019s \u201cunmarried\u201d [1 Cor 7.8, 32-38]) or for one another. \u00a0A same-sex relationship is disordered, and same-sex desires, while not sinful in themselves, are still disordered.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                        3. \u201cAre stable, faithful, and permanent same-sex relationships universally condemned in the Bible?\u201d\n
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                          1. It is astonishing that a bishop, and an evangelical one at that, asks this question. \u00a0Evangelicals\u00a0pride themselves on being Christians who read and study the Bible more than others.\n
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                            1. Paul says in Romans 1 that same-sex intercourse is \u201cunnatural\u201d and \u201cshameless\u201d (1.27 NRSV). \u00a0He refers to the \u201cacts\u201d themselves. \u00a0There is no possibility that motivation or length of relationship (faithful, permanent, stable) change the nature of the act\u2013which he states is against nature and brings shame. Arguments by liberal scholars to see here condemnation of only\u00a0pederasty (abusive couplings) have failed.<\/li>\n
                            2. Jesus himself refers to\u00a0porneia\u00a0<\/em>(the umbrella Greek word for sexual sins, which all Jews knew were defined in Lev. 18 & 20, where the only such sin that is\u00a0toevah<\/em> or \u201cabomination\u201d is a man lying with a man). \u00a0Jesus says porneia<\/em> is\u00a0ponera<\/i>, a strong word for \u201cevil.\u201d So Jesus himself upholds the biblical and Jewish condemnation of same-sex relations.<\/li>\n
                            3. Nowhere in Scripture is same-sex genital relationship treated with anything other than condemnation.\n
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                              1. In 1 Cor 6 Paul says that some who were \u201cmale prostitutes\u201d and \u201csodomites\u201d are now \u201cwashed and sanctified.\u201d \u00a0But he also says that those who are un<\/span>washed and un<\/span>sanctified from this sin will not \u201cinherit the kingdom of God\u201d (9-11). \u00a0Neither will unrepentant adulterers and drunkards and fornicators and greedy.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                              2. \u201cEven if it is condemned by Scripture, should we refuse to share in the mission of God with those who disagree with us?\u201d\n
                                  \n
                                1. Well, there are major and minor matters of disagreement.<\/li>\n
                                2. Marriage (and sexuality in the Bible is defined by marriage) is major, not minor. \u00a0It is the number one metaphor in Scripture for God\u2019s relationship to His people. \u00a0Yahweh is married to Israel in the OT, and the church is the bride of Christ in the NT.<\/li>\n
                                3. This is just as important as the Trinity and Christology (contrary to what these \u201cevangelicals\u201d argue).\n
                                    \n
                                  1. For they are saying implicitly that Jesus and Paul and Moses were wrong about marriage and sexuality.<\/li>\n
                                  2. Thus Scripture is wrong when it comes to marriage and sexuality and family.\n
                                      \n
                                    1. Therefore for them Scripture is not our final rule for faith and practice.<\/li>\n
                                    2. If they say, But Scripture has been wrongly interpreted for two millennia . . .\n
                                        \n
                                      1. We must respond that the intellectually honest pro-gay Christian scholars like Walter Wink have said, \u201cLet\u2019s be honest and stop trying to prove our position with exegesis. \u00a0The Bible is clearly against same-sex practice.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                                      2. Then we must ask which God are we worshiping?\n
                                          \n
                                        1. The God who inspired\u00a0this\u00a0<\/em>Bible that lifts up the marriage between a man and a woman as the principal image\u00a0of God\u2019s relationship to his people? \u00a0Or another God who dispenses with this image and therefore this Bible?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                                        2. We must also ask, Which Jesus?\n
                                            \n
                                          1. The Jesus who condemns all\u00a0porneia<\/em> and therefore same-sex relations, no matter how \u201cfaithful\u201d?<\/li>\n
                                          2. Or another Jesus who doesn\u2019t think these things are important?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                                          3. These authors say sexuality is not at the heart of the gospel.\n
                                              \n
                                            1. Then the gospel is not to transform our family and sexual life? \u00a0It just gets our souls to heaven?<\/li>\n
                                            2. This is more Gnostic than biblical, or else conforms more to a cultural than a biblical Christianity.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                                            3. \u201cI know gays who want to express their sexuality as a gift from God in the context of faithfulness.\u201d\n
                                                \n
                                              1. How can a desire which Scripture clearly says is disordered be a gift from God?<\/li>\n
                                              2. A heterosexual married man can excuse his desire to commit adultery in the same way. \u00a0So can an alcoholic.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n
                                              3. \u201cThe horrific events in Orlando show what happens when ignorance and fear are left to fester and ferment.\u201d\n
                                                  \n
                                                1. That is exactly what did NOT happen in Orlando.\n
                                                    \n
                                                  1. What happened in Orlando was terrorism inspired by radical Islam.<\/li>\n
                                                  2. It was motivated by religion, and it happened to target gays. \u00a0It was really intended against every non-Muslim American.<\/li>\n
                                                  3. It is wrongheaded to call this a tragedy, or to say it was mostly about ignorance and fear. \u00a0This man was quite knowledgeable about what he was doing and not at all fearful. \u00a0If only he had been more fearful, and refrained from murdering scores of innocents!<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

                                                    Are these bishops and priests and layfolks still evangelical? \u00a0Only if \u201cevangelical\u201d is given new meaning. \u00a0Only if the classical definition, which involves surrender to the biblical vision, is radically altered. \u00a0In other words, only if evangelicals are the new liberals.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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