{"id":1518,"date":"2010-09-06T07:05:12","date_gmt":"2010-09-06T13:05:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/paganportal\/?p=1518"},"modified":"2010-09-06T07:05:12","modified_gmt":"2010-09-06T13:05:12","slug":"guest-post-feithline-on-pagan-clergy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/pantheon\/2010\/09\/guest-post-feithline-on-pagan-clergy\/","title":{"rendered":"Guest Post: Feithline on Pagan &#8220;Clergy&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I have been wrestling with this all day, and in conversations at  Facebook, I have attained more confusion than clarity. There seems to be  a pretty even split between those who have no trouble with the apparent  adoption by many pagan groups of a lexicon that was once strictly  Christian, and those who feel unsettled by it. I haven\u2019t yet come across  anyone who was openly hostile to the idea, but I will admit here and  now that my feelings are certainly verging on the hostile. I am *very*  unsettled, and I haven\u2019t yet discovered exactly why.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to attempt to explore my feelings here, so have patience  with me. This is my first blog at Patheos, and I am aware that no one  has any idea who I am. A little background might help you grok where I\u2019m  coming from. I\u2019ve been pagan since the late 1980s. I was led to  paganism through an initial interest in world religions, tarot and the  new age (a la Shirley MacLaine, Don Millman &amp; Carlos Castenada). I  studied most of the Abrahamic faiths including most of the schisms, and  later embraced neo-paganism as the only appropriate title for what it  was that worked for me. I\u2019m a dedicant in Blue Star Wicca (though I  admit that Trad Wicca is not for me for reasons I might go into later in  the blog), a Bard in the Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids, a sister  in The Sisterhood of Avalon, and an apprentice in the Temple of  Witchcraft. I\u2019m also a <a href=\"http:\/\/spiritscast.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">pagan podcaster<\/a> and am afforded ample opportunity to think about, muse about, and  sometimes even rant about things I come across in the larger pagan  movement.<\/p>\n<p>The appropriation of Christian terms for what it is we do rankles me.  Deeply. I\u2019m not offended, exactly, but I think I\u2019m terrified about what  this means for our future.<\/p>\n<p>This came up after reading a post at The Broomstick Chronicles by Macha Nightmare. Here\u2019s a quote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>As a Pagan, I feel it\u2019s paramount that  we define ourselves rather than leaving that to sociologists,  journalists and others. I admit to a mistrust of what I call the  \u2018overculture\u2019 \u2013 the mainstream, linear-thinking, rational, American  consumer culture. We can take from the overculture that which suits our  religions, but we don\u2019t have to parrot it in everything we do. So even  though I\u2019m helping to establish a public ministry program at a Pagan  seminary, the goal of which is to offer ordination to Pagan \u2018clergy,\u2019 I  don\u2019t feel comfortable with the terms ministry, seminary, and most  especially, clergy.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>From <a href=\"http:\/\/besom.blogspot.com\/2010\/09\/ruminations-on-pagan-clergy.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ruminations on Pagan Clergy<\/a>.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I don\u2019t feel comfortable with the terms  \u2018ministry\u2019, \u2019seminary\u2019, or \u2018clergy\u2019 either. I think because these words  are loaded and very much conjure up images of churches, frocked priests,  child sexual abuse by those in authority over them, corruption, power  over, oppression of women, oppression of and outright rejection of  homosexuals and other sexual \u2018deviants\u2019, rewriting history, the  Inquisition, monotheism, and everything negative I\u2019ve experienced or  know about Christianity. It doesn\u2019t, unfortunately, conjure thoughts  that bring me a sense of identity as a pagan, equality of women, justice  for all, safety for children, or anything I consider holy, sacred,  Goddess oriented, magical or even spiritual.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.murphyrobes.com\/media\/images\/large\/SW-101%20Clergy%20Shirt%20New%20Larger%20View.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"174\" height=\"201\"><\/p>\n<p>The terms conjure, for me, what the  Pharisees represented to the Jesus Christ of the Gospels. Vipers.  Hypocrites. Dogmatic. Blind. Congregation. Laity. Those who follow those  who lead.<\/p>\n<p>Am I biased?<\/p>\n<p>Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Do I really need to explain why?<\/p>\n<p>I didn\u2019t think so.<\/p>\n<p>I want to know why pagans seem to be  rushing to embrace this terminology when we already have our own. Witch.  Druid. Bard. Ovate. Magus. Magician. Flamen. Oracle. Wisewoman. Shaman.  Are some of these words appropriated? Certainly, but these words  conjure the natural, organic spirituality that I seek rather than the  book-based religious dogma that the other words bring to mind. I can  live with priesting or priestessing as verbs, but as official titles?<\/p>\n<p>Not so much.<\/p>\n<p>My impression of pagan spirituality at the  time that I began to study it was that we are all our own priesthood. We  need no leaders. We need no mediators. Our own personal experience  trumps that of any book or teacher. We are responsible for our own  experience. We must engage the divine ourselves, on our own behalf, to  have a genuine spirituality.<\/p>\n<p>What I see happening is this: a line is  being drawn between laity \u2013 those who show up and want to be led\/taught,  and priesthood \u2013 those who do what needs to be done to attain an  initiation that matters to the laity. Credentials. Proof, by degree or  certificate,\u00a0of the purchase of a spirituality that, to my  understanding, cannot be purchased.<\/p>\n<p>I fear that the appropriation of Christian  terminology is a threat to our autonomy, our\u00a0sovereignty. I fear that  the adoption of these terms will create a pagan congregation (if one  doesn\u2019t already exist) who expects to be led as sheep by a shepherd to a  spiritual experience that they can only really have by doing the work  of engaging the divine <em>as they understand it<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>And yet, I participate in orders and  temples that embrace such terminology. Ministry. Seminary. Sisterhood.  Priesthood. I participate because what is offered is of value to me  despite the use of those terms.<\/p>\n<p>Resistance notwithstanding, I\u2019m afraid we\u2019re all being assimilated.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to keep on struggling with this, and in the meantime, I welcome your feedback.<\/p>\n<p><em>Feithline has a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/spiritscast\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">personal blog on Patheos<\/a> and a podcast:<a href=\"http:\/\/spiritscast.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"> SpiritsCast.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Also check other Pagan blogs on Patheos: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/paganswithdisabilities\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Pagans With Disabilities<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/paganmilitary\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Pagans in the Military<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/seekingaradia\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Seeking Aradia<\/a>.<br>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been wrestling with this all day, and in conversations at Facebook, I have attained more confusion than clarity. 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